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Old 01-19-2009, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Old Forge, NY
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Wow, thanks for the link to the site. Very interesting info. We're still not hearing any of this on the National Media, are we.

That link also states:



Given a choice between man-made global warming or nature's global cooling - I'd take the man-made global warming.
So you'd rather believe some extremely biased opinion piece, that wont even try to interpret data correctly, over respected scientific committees?
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And I'm supposed to care about what Gore says, WHY?
He is the figurehead for the GW hoax.

Rumble; don't tell me you are using those faulty temperatures that Hansen was called out on?

1934 was the hottest - based on the revised data. You see, Hansen tried to fudge the figures by using September's data in place of October.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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In the letter Hansen sent to obama - the scheme is revealed. A socialists end-around for wealth distribution. Plain and simple.

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A rising carbon price is essential to “decarbonize” the economy, i.e., to move the nation toward the era beyond fossil fuels. The most effective way to achieve this is a carbon tax (on oil, gas, and coal) at the well-head or port of entry. The tax will then appropriately affect all products and activities that use fossil fuels. The public’s near-term, mid-term, and long-term lifestyle choices will be affected by knowledge that the carbon tax rate will be rising.

The public will support the tax if it is returned to them, equal shares on a per capita basis (half shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family), deposited monthly in bank accounts. No large bureaucracy is needed. A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average makes money. A person with large cars and a big house will pay a tax much higher than the dividend. Not one cent goes to Washington. No lobbyists will be supported. Unlike cap-and-trade, no millionaires would be made at the expense of the public.
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A carbon tax is honest, clear and effective. It will increase energy prices, but low and middle income people, especially, will find ways to reduce carbon emissions so as to come out ahead.
How will they do that exactly?
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Old Forge, NY
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He is the figurehead for the GW hoax.

Rumble; don't tell me you are using those faulty temperatures that Hansen was called out on?

1934 was the hottest - based on the revised data. You see, Hansen tried to fudge the figures by using September's data in place of October.
No, these are different data sets and you should have known this if you looked at the articles closely. The one you are referring to only deals with United States temp data, the NOAA report is world temps.

Regarding the NASA report, the differences between 1934 and 1998 are so small that they are almost statistically insignificant. Some folks like Limbaugh tried to make a mountain out of a molehill and it worked because you are repeating it here.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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It's time to pray for global warming, says Flint Journal columnist John Tomlinson - Flint, Michigan Columns, Letters & Opinion - The Flint Journal – MLive.com

"At December's U.N. Global Warming conference in Poznan, Poland, 650 of the world's top climatologists stood up and said man-made global warming is a media generated myth without basis. Said climatologist Dr. David Gee, Chairman of the International Geological Congress, "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming?"

The earth's temperature peaked in 1998. It's been falling ever since; it dropped dramatically in 2007 and got worse in 2008, when temperatures touched 1980 levels."

I suppose you're counting on this 650 to make the tens of thousands on the other side to change their minds, right. Holding your breath until it happens might help. After all 9 of the 10 hottest years on record have happened in the last decade. Who in the world would pay attention to those kinds of statistics?
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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But whaddya know! Those figures are wrong. Data from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) now show the hottest year since 1880 was 1934. Nineteen-ninety-eight dropped to second, while the third hottest year was way back in 1921. Indeed, four of the 10 hottest years were in the 1930s, while only three were in the past decade.

The real 15 hottest years are spread over seven decades. Eight occurred before the chief “greenhouse gas,†atmospheric carbon dioxide, began its sharp rise; seven occurred afterwards.
Oh well.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Regarding the NASA report, the differences between 1934 and 1998 are so small that they are almost statistically insignificant
Turn it around - .1 or .2 the other way sends the alarmists into orgasmic episodes of glee - the "theory" must be right! The temperature has risen a tenth of a degree! Disaster!
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I suppose you're counting on this 650 to make the tens of thousands on the other side to change their minds, right
Oh come now. Don't forget the over 31,000 US scientists who have come forward to dispute the loons.

Newsmax.com - 31,000 Scientists Debunk Al Gore and Global Warming (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_gore_global_warming/2008/05/19/97307.html - broken link)
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Old Forge, NY
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Oh come now. Don't forget the over 31,000 US scientists who have come forward to dispute the loons.

Newsmax.com - 31,000 Scientists Debunk Al Gore and Global Warming (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_gore_global_warming/2008/05/19/97307.html - broken link)
"Science degrees"...yeah. That right there makes them "scientists" that know enough about global warming to give their expert opinion about it.

I just love these garbage, braindead neocon propaganda articles you keep pulling out.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Oh well.

Are you sure they aren't talking about temperatures in the USA or maybe North America? I mean its odd that NOAA hasn't changed their figures, being the ones responsible. Given the rate of change hot years in the 1930's aren't much comfort.

NCDC: Climate of 2008 - August Global Analysis
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