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Old 11-30-2017, 06:59 AM
 
Location: USA
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Wow. Just wow. Do read up on what everyday life was like for the Cherokees, for example, prior to the Removal. You might also look up the Choctaws, Seminoles, Creeks, Chickasaws and other southeastern tribes, while you're at it.

See also the Iroquois Confederacy. Not southeastern, but you just made one huge sweeping statement, so I am certain you won't object to a little geographic diversity in my post.
So we are going to continue to beat ourselves up due to something that happened 1830 - 1850 which is about 170 years ago when society, and people's thoughts were vastly different. Yeah, makes sense.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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Will note that I didn't even watch/listen to Trump's comments regarding Pocohontas. I saw the Jackson picture in the background and was upset that he chose to "honor" the Navajo Code Talkers, who are American heroes in front of a man known as the "Indian Killer."
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:11 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Will note that I didn't even watch/listen to Trump's comments regarding Pocohontas. I saw the Jackson picture in the background and was upset that he chose to "honor" the Navajo Code Talkers, who are American heroes in front of a man known as the "Indian Killer."
Jackson is an American hero.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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what have you done with PedroMartinez!?
LOL, sorry but I did have to laugh at that one
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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Jackson is an American hero.
Why?
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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So we are going to run around taking down history, and putting up something else on an hourly, or more frequent basis as the audience changes? Washington, and Jefferson owned slaves. Should we take down their portraits when a Black person is honored? Can you see the nightmare that precedent would create?

Do you think you could "keep up" with that.
What a false equivalency. Sure, many people were slave-owners at that time, but would you choose to honor African-Americans with a portrait of someone who epitomized slave-ownership, such as Robert E. Lee, as your backdrop? Jackson's best-known legacy was his ignoring the Supreme Court to displace Native Americans and the ensuing trail of tears. To use him as a prominent backdrop for a ceremony aimed at honoring Native Americans was, at best, callously crass.

This was either a mistake of bad optics that any competent administration could have easily avoided or a purposeful insult to Native Americans.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:38 AM
 
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Should we not have diplomatic relations with the Japanese due to the Bataan Death March? IT'S FREAKING HISTORY. GET OVER IT.
Allow me to take your analogy one step further. We have diplomatic relations with Germany regardless of world war II and its atrocities. Do you think we should have a portrait of Hitler to honor HISTORY?
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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Jackson is an American hero.
Not to the American heroes who were supposed to be honored that day. You should consider your guest when you are "honoring" them.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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Grant, Harrison, or Polk would have been much better.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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So we are going to continue to beat ourselves up due to something that happened 1830 - 1850 which is about 170 years ago when society, and people's thoughts were vastly different. Yeah, makes sense.
Eh, your talking about WWII vets, many 90+ years old. Some of them may have had living grandparents that went through it. Most at the very least had great grandparents that could have gone through it. Things that seem far in the past for young to middle aged people now can feel a lot closer for very old people, and smart people who truly want to honor a group will take that groups social context into account when deciding how to do it.

I have a few memories of a few of my 95ish year old great great grand parents from when I was 8 or 9 years old. They would have been born in the 1890's and if you are clever you can figure out a clue to how old I am. I am much younger than these veterans by 50-60+ years, so it is not inconceivable or even unusual that they could have memories of family born in the 1840-50s.

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