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View Poll Results: Are you happy your taxes are going up?
Yes 22 29.73%
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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Our nation is already breaking apart.
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I think so too.
I think so.

A lot of blue state folks are waking up to how they are subsidizing red states.

Red state voters want a different kind of society than blue state voters do.

Hard not to wonder if an Amendment to allow states to leave the union wouldn't win approval in both blue and red states.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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ACA did NKT deduce the deficit, it increased it.

Obama continuing war added to the deficit.
Did those actions increase the deficit/debt by $8 trillion dollars like a republican in this thread claimed?
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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Some of us planned our futures to be safe from a social security failure. Why does social security need to be cut? Mismanagement over the span of decades perhaps? By both parties.....
No sir, I am not ok with it, but it has been expected for years. Unlike some or many, I refuse to place the security of my future into the hands of career politicians. Only a fool trusts their future to others.
Social Security in my mind was always a supplemental income, never the main stay. For me it will be like money found. A pleasant surprise.
I am angry that I paid into a system since I was 14, that has been robbed, abused and neglected by both major parties. I am angry that we can afford to give Israel and others, billions a year, but we can't manage our SS fund.
Do I blame the GOP? NO... I Blame both the GOP and the Dems. What did Obama and the Dems do to protect the SS fund? What did Bush do? Clinton robbed it.
So I am absolutely ok with paying less taxes. That money saved only helps my private retirement account.

I retire in January at age 55. No thanks to the left or right. They had nothing to do with it. My health insurance where I am going is 12% the cost of what I would pay here. My cost of living about half. Not all of us put all our eggs into the social security basket.
We can look at Galveston Texas and see how much better most people would be by switching from SS to a private system.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Democrats don’t like handwritten documents:

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Old 12-02-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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We can look at Galveston Texas and see how much better most people would be by switching from SS to a private system.
You are crapping the thread. We aren't talking about Social Security.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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Did those actions increase the deficit/debt by $8 trillion dollars like a republican in this thread claimed?
Those actions alone? No.

Government created that debt, which now hovers around $20 trillion.

I argue about government spending, not party spending; however, when someone tries to excuse their party, I’ll say something.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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You obviously have no clue what the definition of traitor is...
Passing classified intel to Russia was an act of treason -- "supports its enemies, giving them aid ... "

https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/traitor/

Needs two witnesses. There were three -- Tillerson, Kislyak, Lavrov.

You need to request better material as your current lies and insults are ridiculous.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:46 AM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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Are you talking about the $8T deficit created by the tax and spend Obama?
Maybe the one that people were so concerned about 24/7. Horrible what was being done to our children and grandchildren, how unfair that they would be saddled with the massive deficit; country is going bankrupt because of it, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now it is never mind about that, everyone is just concerned about getting some immediate $ in their pocket and a "win". Poof, the deficit is no longer a problem.

How convenient
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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I think so.

A lot of blue state folks are waking up to how they are subsidizing red states.

Red state voters want a different kind of society than blue state voters do.

Hard not to wonder if an Amendment to allow states to leave the union wouldn't win approval in both blue and red states.
I would absolutely support that. Half the country absolutely detests the other half. It's not just "dislike", they absolutely cannot stand the other half. In order for the continent to continue peacefully, let the country break apart regionally and perhaps contribute to national defense and nothing else. If a region doesn't contribute, they don't get defended and call it good from there. Blue states can create health coverage, education resources, etc. and red states can walk around the grocery store with AR-15s. Anyone wanting to change regions gets a five or ten year probationary period. When the GOP is creating a tax bill based on scribbles and lobbyists are designing the tax code, we are no longer a country anyway.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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We can look at Galveston Texas and see how much better most people would be by switching from SS to a private system.
People who trust in Social Security place their future into the hands of strangers, into the hands of career politicians, professional liars. Those people are fools. Politicians are only slightly more honest than those emails from a lawyer claiming you are the last remaining relative of some royal family. Just send $1500 to cover the legal fees and a vast fortune will be yours.
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