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Old 12-01-2017, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Gun ownership, and the right to keep and bear arms is NOT a state's rights issue. The Second Amendment is in the Constitution specifically stating it is a right. The states signed off on this when they became states. The Supreme Court upheld this as an individual right. Any laws that infringe on the 2A are unconstitutional. Nothing to do with state's rights in which I am a big proponent.

Can states limit your First Amendment Rights?
No because the First Amendment Rights have been incorporated to the States.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorp...Bill_of_Rights

While that link says that the 2nd Amendment is incorporated, your statement of "The states signed off on this when they became states." is rather incorrect.
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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He was locked in his room. You try and break the door down, a couple of shots through the door takes you out.
Let them enjoy their fantasies.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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It's exactly as it should be. The entire premise is that people can vote with their feet. They can move to states that support their interests be it guns, business, welfare, property, less/more taxation, less/more regulation... whatever.

That's why CA has swelled with east coast liberals. We have become a socialist state with the highest taxes and harshest gun laws in the country. Exactly what they want.
Always intrigues me how people can go on about the likes without taking into account all the positives, about California for example. Personally I have paid more in taxes than most people earn in a lifetime. I have paid more in terms of cost of living than most Americans too. I could have long ago "cashed in" on living in California and moved to a state with far lower taxes, less concern about the environment, little-to-nothing in the way of gun control laws, but all considered -- all the pros as well as the cons -- I have never been convinced there is any state that offers as high quality a way of life as California does.

That's a personal choice of course, as it applies to me and most people who also love California for all it offers to Californians. Not for everyone of course. I get that, but no matter your thing; desert, mountains, heat, cold, sunshine or snow, skiing or surfing, farm land, lakes, rivers or ocean, California has it in spades.

Yes, "people can vote with their feet," and dollars. Might also consider the cost of real estate in California compared to most other states, and it seems an awful lot of people are voting with their feet and dollars here in a big way. I suspect there are many GOOD reasons for that.

Go figure...

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Old 12-01-2017, 08:31 AM
 
Location: PSL
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He was locked in his room. You try and break the door down, a couple of shots through the door takes you out.
If I'm not mistaken there were door ways in the hallway to use for cover.

Same as some of the 3 gun courses I compete in are set up.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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If I'm not mistaken there were door ways in the hallway to use for cover.

Same as some of the 3 gun courses I compete in are set up.
LOL...........you were going to bust down the door while hiding for cover down the hallway all the while shooting at this guy when you couldn't even tell where he was at?

LOL
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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Because the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutionally protected right.

Like I said, I can carry in any city here in Florida. There are states that acknowledge my permit, then there's NY MA and CT and NYC itself is a whole different ball game in of itself.

I become a felon if caught in NY with a pistol in my waistband. Say I get pulled over in my work truck. In Florida window tint is legal. In NY it isnt. Some cop pulls me over for blacked out windows while I'm traveling to Vermont or Maine. The tint gives the officer probable cause to search the vehicle and me as well. Busted for carrying concealed. Even though I have a permit to do so. NY does not recognize it.

Same goes if you live near the border of NY and MA or NY and CT. You can have a NY pistol permit. Can't cross into MA or CT with it. Those states don't reciprocate with each other.
However the same doesn't apply to drivers licenses.

If you have a driver's license in any state obviously you can drive to any state you wish.

And in the case of NYC you can live upstate and have a NY concealed carry license. Get caught in the no go zones with it Felony.

Any state law that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms, is practicing an unconstutional law that violates citizens rights to keep and bear arms...

In pure simple forms, there are states that practice constitutional carry. Per federal handgun laws, if you can legally possess a handgun there's no state permit infringing you carrying it openly or concealed. Missouri is one.

Go one further. If someone wants to carry a rifle on a sling on their back or chest, their constitutional right to keep and bear arms is their right. Arizona and Texas come to mind.

Why is it illegal to do so elsewhere?

In the case of Florida with having a no open carry allowed unless hunting or fishing, you could be fishing with a pistol on your hip, northeast transplant deathly afraid of guns calls the police on you, they respond seize the weapon run the numbers investigate why you are openly carrying and if you were menacing with it in any fashion... you're within your rights. You know the state laws. And abide by them.
It's permissible to open carry while hunting and fishing, simple logic is why not allow unconditional open carry? If you have a CCW why not be afforded the right to keep and bear arms. Openly or concealed?

If someone wanted to walk down my street with an AR or AK on a sling on their back or chest, it won't bother me one bit. I'd smile and wave because up the road is a fanatic that's terrified of firearms and called the police on a couple kids with airsoft guns playing in their backyard. Thought they had real ARs and Real pistols! LOL
Are you of the opinion there are states with gun control laws that are unconstitutional? Regardless the rulings to the contrary?

Again, though you and many others can't seem to understand, the issue is not one of being afraid of guns. Not for everyone anyway. Not for me. I think you don't listen, because you don't want to hear other than what you are hearing and feeling in your own head.

I used to play guns all the time when I was a kid. My son also played with guns, air soft wars and all that sort of thing, up and down the street. Most kids/boys do. Then we grew up and got into other things.

I get that others continue on with guns in their life and that's okay of course. Just not everyone or most Americans. Hope that's okay with everyone...
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just for the record - "Assault Rifle" by definition is a rifle that can swing either way.

If you're using it for hog hunting, I know why you need a 30-shot magazine - you're using absolutely the wrong firearm. a .223 is entirely too small to be hunting in heavy cover, especially an animal with a tough hide and heavy bone structure. You need something with a heavier projectile, at least .30 caliber and preferably a .44 magnum or a .45-70.

Personally, I killed a few with my old .308 while I was hunting, but I had no problem with a 12 gauge pump full of 3-inch 00 buckshot for the majority of them. That same 12 gauge is more than adequate for home defense with a few loads of BBs in it.

Per the dictionary:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...ssault%20rifle

Also, from Wikipedia:

In the United States "assault weapons" are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified a definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:

a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher

Some states have passed more restrictive laws, with more inclusive definitions of assault weapons. One example is the NY SAFE Act, which changed the restriction to one or more (rather than two or more) of the above features, and expanded the restricted muzzle devices beyond just flash suppressors to include compensators and muzzle brakes.

Assault weapons legislation does not further restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.[92]
.223/5.56 can handle up to an 80 grainer and still feed in the magwell. It works just fine on medium game. I think it's safe to say that someone who can't dispatch a hog with that round won't be doing it with a .300 win mag either. Bullet design, bullet placement.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just for the record - "Assault Rifle" by definition is a rifle that can swing either way.

If you're using it for hog hunting, I know why you need a 30-shot magazine - you're using absolutely the wrong firearm. a .223 is entirely too small to be hunting in heavy cover, especially an animal with a tough hide and heavy bone structure. You need something with a heavier projectile, at least .30 caliber and preferably a .44 magnum or a .45-70.

Personally, I killed a few with my old .308 while I was hunting, but I had no problem with a 12 gauge pump full of 3-inch 00 buckshot for the majority of them. That same 12 gauge is more than adequate for home defense with a few loads of BBs in it.

Per the dictionary:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...ssault%20rifle

Also, from Wikipedia:

In the United States "assault weapons" are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified a definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:

a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher

Some states have passed more restrictive laws, with more inclusive definitions of assault weapons. One example is the NY SAFE Act, which changed the restriction to one or more (rather than two or more) of the above features, and expanded the restricted muzzle devices beyond just flash suppressors to include compensators and muzzle brakes.

Assault weapons legislation does not further restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.[92]
.223/5.56 can handle up to an 80 grainer and still feed in the magwell. It works just fine on medium game. I think it's safe to say that someone who can't dispatch a hog with that round won't be doing it with a .300 win mag either. Bullet design, bullet placement.

Besides, with an AR you just have one lower and a myriad of uppers to choose from. .458 socom for the win.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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This seemed like it should have been an easy decision but in this country you never know.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-supreme-court
What is your problem with “this country”? The annoying constitution?
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: PSL
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LOL...........you were going to bust down the door while hiding for cover down the hallway all the while shooting at this guy when you couldn't even tell where he was at?

LOL
I'd draw fire from cover and return fire when it breaks. I wasn't there. Would have come in handy for the crowd below wouldn't it?

But go on and mock me that's all you've got
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