Great news! You've killed more innocents than previously thought!

[Drewjdeg]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Somalian civilians were killed by U.S. drone strikes over the last few years. I thought you statists got that memo?

I don't hate this country any more than I hate country X,Y,or Z.

Involuntary States are immoral and illogical. The U.S. government, Somalian government, etc. are all involuntary and enforced at gunpoint.

There are plenty are states with lawless areas. If this truly was a moral crisis, wouldn't the logical choice be to emigrate to the Congo jungle or some other ungoverned region. There are areas in the world where you don't have to pay taxes or make contact with any kind of state.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Drewjdeg

There are plenty are states with lawless areas. If this truly was a moral crisis, wouldn't the logical choice be to emigrate to the Congo jungle or some other ungoverned region. There are areas in the world where you don't have to pay taxes or make contact with any kind of state.

This is false and we've been over this a million times.

First off, it's immoral and illogical for a man minding his own business to leave a geographic area because a mob claims to own that area and wants to collect tribute at gunpoint. You do not consent by standing in a geographic area any more than you consent by being born (social contract).

Secondly, even if I decided to leave I have to pay exit fees. Unless you're up for it.

Thirdly, with one State in existence we are all at risk. This gets back to my point on Somalia. You statists loved using it as an example of a place with a weak to no central government yet here we are in 2017 and the U.S. is sending its drones to kill "terrorists" near Mogadishu. The State Department has confirmed civilian casualties this past year.

What did those folks ever do to deserve a drone strike death? They were living in a place with a very weak to no centralized State.

What did the folks on Bikini Atoll ever do to deserve the U.S. government "asking" (it was by force) natives to leave the island for nuclear testing in the 1940s which left their homeland a nuclear wasteland?

The song is always the same no matter where you go on this planet: You are only as free as long as your personal interests do not interfere with the State's interests...the one that claims ownership over you or otherwise.

And that's why we have the non-aggression principle. You don't initiate force on others. Only defensive force is justified. If I live in greater L.A. (which I do) or Antarctica I'm still forced to navigate the various States on this planet...always being forced to get out of their way because they don't follow the NAP.

I do though. Doesn't that put me in the right?

[Drewjdeg]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

This is false and we've been over this a million times.

First off, it's immoral and illogical for a man minding his own business to leave a geographic area because a mob claims to own that area and wants to collect tribute at gunpoint. You do not consent by standing in a geographic area any more than you consent by being born (social contract).

Secondly, even if I decided to leave I have to pay exit fees. Unless you're up for it.

Thirdly, with one State in existence we are all at risk. This gets back to my point on Somalia. You statists loved using it as an example of a place with a weak to no central government yet here we are in 2017 and the U.S. is sending its drones to kill "terrorists" near Mogadishu. The State Department has confirmed civilian casualties this past year.

What did those folks ever do to deserve a drone strike death? They were living in a place with a very weak to no centralized State.

What did the folks on Bikini Atoll ever do to deserve the U.S. government "asking" (it was by force) natives to leave the island for nuclear testing in the 1940s which left their homeland a nuclear wasteland?

The song is always the same no matter where you go on this planet: You are only as free as long as your personal interests do not interfere with the State's interests...the one that claims ownership over you or otherwise.

And that's why we have the non-aggression principle. You don't initiate force on others. Only defensive force is justified. If I live in greater L.A. (which I do) or Antarctica I'm still forced to navigate the various States on this planet...always being forced to get out of their way because they don't follow the NAP.

I do though. Doesn't that put me in the right?

Fair enough. Looks like you're out of luck then.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Drewjdeg

Fair enough. Looks like you're out of luck then.

I'll keep trying to convince you folks that violence isn't the answer though.

You'll crack.

[brownbagg]

what the big deal, they always complaining about over population.