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View Poll Results: Will Trump try and pardon Flynn?
Yes 60 31.58%
Maybe 49 25.79%
No 81 42.63%
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Old 12-22-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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CNN. UNLIKE FOX News and INFO Wars, can be trusted to tell the truth.
Yeah, surrrrre, BAWWWW HAWWW HAWWWWW..
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:50 PM
 
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Yeah, surrrrre, BAWWWW HAWWW HAWWWWW..

Bet you never watch anything but Faux News!

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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He represents the truth, no matter what political side it falls on.
You'd have to be living in a left wing communist echo chamber, to believe that he represents a right or left leaning analysis of anything.
The guy is a Constitutionalist.

Wait??? Are you saying the left does not recognize the Constitution?


You setting a false equivalency does not make it true. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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LOL!!

Ya, put a convicted liar on the witness stand in a trial, and see what happens! That would be suicide in litigation, if the judge even allows it.
Not too bright are you?

Anything Flynn tells Muller's team will be independently verified multiple times.

Did you really think they would just put Flynn on the stand without checking out every bit of information he gives them?
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:59 AM
 
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Mueller will get plenty of info from Flynn and probably already has. Lying to the FBI is a felony and punishable for 1-5 years in prison. Flynn wants to protect his son and probably has already made a deal to trade info on Trump and the campaign for protection against indictment of his son.
this!
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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Apparently Flynn Jr and Flynn's brother went little Twitter-nuts over Christmas
The brother's Twitter post was soon deleted but archived by enough sites that it still lives
Apparently he called out Trump for not pardoning Flynn who has taken the "bullet" metaphorically for Trump, et al
Joe Flynn tells Trump he "must" pardon Flynn

So if you think your Christmas might have had some family drama, you likely had a pale shadow of what happened at the Flynn house...
Would have been great to have some family videos of those moments...
Certifiable is a kind word for that mind-set...
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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Mueller will get plenty of info from Flynn and probably already has. Lying to the FBI is a felony and punishable for 1-5 years in prison. Flynn wants to protect his son and probably has already made a deal to trade info on Trump and the campaign for protection against indictment of his son.
Muller probably will get nothing of substance against anyone but Flynn and probably only made the deal to quit spending money on lawyers. This statement is just as valid and based in fact as yours. Either may be true.

Lot's of "probably" backed by no facts and so are just guesses so it'd be more accurate to say "I hope" instead of "probably"...
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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Yeah, surrrrre, BAWWWW HAWWW HAWWWWW..
If you were honest you would admit that most major media sources serve their own ends under their own agendas--

The problem is that we don't agree on what those ends really entertain--
I feel that the alt-right media has done more to destroy the root values of the Constitution while operating under the freedoms it guarantees..
The lies coming out of Hannity, Limbaugh (in his heighday), and newer voices like Laura Ingraham are just total spin--no factual basis--almost every thing taken out of context to fit their world/political view
Their access to millions has increased with the growth of Fox News and the Internet with its host of independent radio/pod shows that find listeners across the US in areas large and small--and allow all the people who never felt they "fit in"" to find their voice--
The fact that most of that spiel appeals to emotion w/o any rational investigation of facts is something people who use it to support their opinions just proves they lack credibility period...
But the emotional lie is always the one that is believed and least likely to be subject to investigation and insight

IMO what you would classify as the "liberal" MSM provide both positive/negative aspects of issues under media investigation--
The NYTimes certainly did this with the recent story re the white national mid-western guy who was portrayed very sympathetically with his "normal" life espousing alt-right and some neo-Nazi beliefs and behaviors---
And NYTimes caught a lot of grief for what many readers felt was too skewed to the positive in normalizing an attitude more people feel is basically anti-American
And the paper didn't want to really self-examine whether there were mistakes on its part--
But TO ITS CREDIT--those critical letters were shared with viewers, there was discussion with the writer re the story, and there was discourse...
You never see that type of examination on something like Fox and Friends, or on Jones's program, or any others like Mike Huckabee's where facts are never allowed to get in the way of the agenda of the people espousing their views...

You will NEVER find anything remotely critical of Trump coming out of Fox
Even Steve Bannon won't criticize TRump himself for mistakes he has made--he will roll the blame over to McConnell and others in GOP establishment because Bannon wants to destroy right and left establishments for his own chaos regime...

So if you NEVER provide a balance of pros and cons, you aren't really a NEWS source
You are only a mouthpiece for someone's agenda
And most of the time the people paying the bills control the agenda and most of the time truth never enters the equation...

And since you can't admit that there is any unfairness or bias on the part of the media YOU choose to cite as your sources/evidence, you offer little credibility in support of your arguments...
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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If you were honest you would admit that most major media sources serve their own ends under their own agendas--

The problem is that we don't agree on what those ends really entertain--
I feel that the alt-right media has done more to destroy the root values of the Constitution will operating under the freedoms it guarantees..
The lies coming out of Hannity, Limbaugh (in his heighday), and newer voices like Laura Ingraham are just total spin--no factual basis--almost every thing taken out of context to fit their world/political view
Their access to millions has increased with the grown of Fox News and the Internet with its host of independent radio/pod shows that find listeners across the US in areas large and small--and allow all the people who never felt they "fit in"" to find their voice--
The fact that most of that spiel appeals to emotion w/o any rational investigation of facts is something people who use it to support their opinions just proves they lack credibility period...
But the emotional lie is always the one that is believed and least likely to be subject to investigation and insight

IMO what you would classify as the "liberal" MSM provide both positive/negative aspects of issues under media investigation--
The NYTimes certainly did this with the recent story re the white national mid-western guy who was portrayed very sympathetically with his "normal" life espousing alt-right and some neo-Nazi beliefs and behaviors---
And NYTimes caught a lot of grief for what many readers felt was too skewed to the positive in normalizing an attitude more people feel is basically anti-American
And the paper didn't want to really self-examine whether there were mistakes on its part--
But TO ITS CREDIT--those critical letters were shared with viewers, there was discussion with the writer re the story, and there was discourse...
You never see that type of examination on something like Fox and Friends, or on Jones's program, or any others like Mike Huckabee's where facts are never allowed to get in the way of the agenda of the people espousing their views...

You will NEVER find anything remotely critical of Trump coming out of Fox
Even Steve Bannon won't criticize TRump himself for mistakes he has made--he will roll the blame over to McConnell and others in GOP establishment because Bannon wants to destroy right and left establishments for his own chaos regime...

So if you NEVER provide a balance of pros and cons, you aren't really a NEWS source
You are only a mouthpiece for someone's agenda
And most of the time the people paying the bills control the agenda and most of the time truth never enters the equation...

And since you can't admit that there is any unfairness or bias on the part of the media YOU choose to cite as your sources/evidence, you offer little credibility in support of your arguments...
I don't argue that at all and in fact have frequently said as much. <bold> The post I responded to is the one you should be railing at as it is guilty of what you attempt to accuse me of. Given that the rest of your rant is just mis-aimed babble.

Nice try but an epic fail...
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Old 12-27-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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Muller probably will get nothing of substance against anyone but Flynn and probably only made the deal to quit spending money on lawyers. This statement is just as valid and based in fact as yours. Either may be true.

Lot's of "probably" backed by no facts and so are just guesses so it'd be more accurate to say "I hope" instead of "probably"...
Your assessment is nothing but conjecture as well
If Mueller is able to carry his investigation onto 2018 there will be plenty of money spent on attorneys
One reason Trump holds his rallys is to get money for legal fees
He has no 2020 campaign to fund at this point
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