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View Poll Results: Will Trump try and pardon Flynn?
Yes 60 31.58%
Maybe 49 25.79%
No 81 42.63%
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-02-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How about this? What an idiot. It’s going to take a long time for her to live this down.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-gAOJ99Q9WA
What makes her any different than the nut jobs who would vote rather vote for a child pedophile republican over a democrat???? Basically, it seems they would rather the plane to go down because they hate the pilot so much, instead of just giving the guy a chance to see what he might be able to pull off.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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This is glorious. Lock him up.


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Old 12-02-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Out here in the real world, Mueller appears to be successfully tracking down liars.
Wasting millions in taxpayer dollars and all he has is an unrelated indictment against Manafort, and an admission of "lying" to the FBI from Flynn about having a legal conversation with a Russian agent having to do with future policy (apparently), but NOT previous to the election and having anything to do with affecting the election outcome.

In short: Mueller has nothing.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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After all these investigations, this is all they got? lol

No tie in to President Trump? lol
I don't think you understand how plea bargaining works. This is how the feds bring down mobsters. Stay tuned.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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Wasting millions in taxpayer dollars and all he has is an unrelated indictment against Manafort, and an admission of "lying" to the FBI from Flynn about having a legal conversation with a Russian agent having to do with future policy (apparently), but NOT previous to the election and having anything to do with affecting the election outcome.

In short: Mueller has nothing.
Paul Manafort - indicted
George Papadopoulos -plead guilty
Mike Flynn - plead guilty
Richard Gates - indicted

In short, Mueller is just starting. Keep believing your fantasy though.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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Except that this had noting to do with "meddling" in the election. It had to do with his statements about meeting with Russian diplomats during the transition (which were legal). Shepard Smith actually lied about this on his show, and Napolitano is rarely right in his assesments (he is not a Trump fan).
So people who tell you something that you refuse to believe are either liars or wrong?

Judge Napolitano, who up until now was a conservative favorite on a conservative hard leaning cable news channel, predicted that Michael Flynn was headed for a plea deal with Special Prosecutor Mueller. The next day Michael Flynn pled guilty to charges of lying to an FBI agent and has legally stated that he will fully cooperate with the Mueller investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Napolitano nailed it, despite what you desperately need to believe.

As for "meeting with Russian diplomats" - it's come out that Jared Kushner instructed Michael Flynn to meet with Russian officials to change Russia's vote on a UN resolution. That's not simply a meet and greet, it's negotiating with a foreign power without authorization from the federal government in order to effect a change in policy. That's a violation of the Logan Act.

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Can we stop using the worn out Watergate era phrase, "what he knew and when he knew it?" So over used, and not even relevant here. There has not yet been found one shred of evidence that Trump or his campaign "colluded" with the Russians to effect the outcome of the election, but there is plenty of evidence that Hillary and the DNC did.
I used that phrase because it was direct quote from Judge Napolitano during his interview with Shepard Smith.

There's plenty of evidence that Trump campaign officials sought from Russian officials illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton. During this time, the Trump campaign changed the Republican party platform to be more friendly to the Russian government. Quid pro quo.

And your "but, but, but...HILLARY!" is duly noted.

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Mueller is still trying to justify his existence.
And you appear to be in full denial of yesterday's events.

So sad.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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What makes her any different than the nut jobs who would vote rather vote for a child pedophile republican over a democrat???? Basically, it seems they would rather the plane to go down because they hate the pilot so much, instead of just giving the guy a chance to see what he might be able to pull off.
I don't like her and I'm not responsible for what she says, why the hell are you dragging her into this discussion, is that really all you've got?
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I can’t wait to see Don’s reaction to Kushner and Don Jr. getting indicted.
They were only with the campaign a short while. He hardly knew them.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Paul Manafort - indicted
George Papadopoulos -plead guilty
Mike Flynn - plead guilty
Richard Gates - indicted

In short, Mueller is just starting. Keep believing your fantasy though.
Michael Flynn Guilty Plea & Mainstream Media | National Review

Charged with lying about conversations that were not themselves illegal. McCarthy points out that normally prosecutors get lower level pleas to the alleged criminal scheme itself. That's not what Mueller and his 17 lawyers are coming up with.

"We’re in the wooly realm of counterintelligence, where anything goes. And in the event our aggressive prosecutor can’t find any crimes — which would be no surprise, since the investigation was not triggered by a crime — no matter: The special counsel is encouraged to manufacture crimes through the investigative process. Misleading assertions by non-suspects made to investigators probing non-crimes can be charged as felony false statements."

"To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations."

Read more at: Michael Flynn Guilty Plea & Mainstream Media | National Review

This is nothing more than a political witch hunt, thanks for playing.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: FL
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More Fox News reporting about today's events:

Why Flynn's Guilt Plea Is Bad News For Team Trump
I am a little surprised that someone at Fox said this:

Based on my own experience working on campaigns, it is very well within the realm of possibility that President Trump was aware – if not responsible for – Flynn’s communications with the Russians over the course of the 2016 presidential campaign. But this possibility remains unproven, as far as we know from what has been made public.

Anyone who has worked on a presidential campaign knows that most important rule is that you always tell your principal what you are doing. So it is entirely plausible that Flynn’s communications could have been carried out at the direction of a senior member of the Trump campaign team, if not the candidate himself. We don’t know what Mueller and his team know, so whether this happened remains to be established in the public record
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