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Old 12-02-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Obamacare was passed passed on Christmas Eve without a single Republican vote.
You’re quite the liar considering you and I have already had this discussion, and YOU KNOW that there was republican support for Obamacare.
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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The root of the problem is social programs are all ponzis that require many more people at the bottom to afford paying them out (high birth rates), on a planet where resources are finite and we really don't want to encourage people to breed in large numbers and balloon the earth's population up to 20-30 billion which will just postpone the problem of how to pay for all these services like social security and medicare in an ever aging populace, not to mention the carbon footprint and environmental damage it will leave particularly in developing nations that are now just starting to industrialize. You think are CO2 levels are rising now, just keep encouraging people to breed so we can keep the ponzi going....

Bringing in refugees by the millions to try to increase the working population is just a band-aid assuming they all even find work and aren't sucking from social services to begin with. We are going to have a crisis the next 20 years in figuring out how to pay for these programs not just in the US, around the world. The more I think about it, the more I realize we could have an environmental crisis looking out 50 years or so, though I believe we will develop clean tech to eliminate CO2 emissions before it hits a critical stage. If everyone wants a western lifestyle in developing countries, that's still a LOT of CO2.

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Old 12-02-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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Who has read the bill? What are the specifics?
Sadly not even the people who passed it read it.
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: PSL
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You’re quite the liar considering you and I have already had this discussion, and YOU KNOW that there was republican support for Obamacare.
Romney.
Not a republican. More like democrat lite.
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: PSL
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The root of the problem is social programs are all ponzis that require many more people at the bottom to afford paying them out (high birth rates), on a planet where resources are finite and we really don't want to encourage people to breed in large numbers and balloon the earth's population up to 20-30 billion which will just postpone the problem of how to pay for all these services like social security and medicare in an ever aging populace, not to mention the carbon footprint and environmental damage it will leave particularly in developing nations that are now just starting to industrialize. You think are CO2 levels are rising now, just keep encouraging people to breed so we can keep the ponzi going....

Bringing in refugees by the millions to try to increase the working population is just a band-aid assuming they all even find work and aren't sucking from social services to begin with. We are going to have a crisis the next 20 years in figuring out how to pay for these programs not just in the US, around the world.
LOL
Yes!

Don't worry if you can't feed what you breed. There's tax payers and wealthy to afford you WIC HEAP and WELFARE hell you can even get SSDI for a mental issue and never have to work again a day in your life. May even get money back at tax time to boot!
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Romney.
Not a republican. More like democrat lite.
Lol. You’re funny. The ACA built off of Romney’s programs (sorry to break this news to you: he’s a republican, until he declares himself otherwise).

Senator Cao is a republican as well.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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You’re quite the liar considering you and I have already had this discussion, and YOU KNOW that there was republican support for Obamacare.
No there wasn't, there wasn't even public opinion support for it. YOU are the liar, expected from Obama supporters.

https://www.reference.com/business-f...2b7abbd87ad5b2

The Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare, received no Republican votes in either the Senate or the House of Representatives when it was passed in 2009.

I suppose in twisted liberal fashion that means "support".
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:21 PM
 
Location: AZ
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No there wasn't, there wasn't even public opinion support for it. YOU are the liar, expected from Obama supporters.

https://www.reference.com/business-f...2b7abbd87ad5b2

The Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare, received no Republican votes in either the Senate or the House of Representatives when it was passed in 2009.

I suppose in twisted liberal fashion that means "support".
Posing the equivalent of yahoo answers doesn’t make make your claim valid. Senator Cao voted yes. https://www.healthreformvotes.org/co.../h887-111.2009


And btw, I didn’t vote for Obama, so put that card back in the deck.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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The Dems are talking doom and gloom and the end of our country as we know it when this tax reform gets passed...
Are they afraid of change? Are they afraid that something with the signature of Trump on it might actually be a good thing for us and that will destroy the Trump is bad agenda??

...
From my long experience the one thing we can not accuse the Democrats of is being afraid of change.

You know that is not the problem.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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If you're not just pasting in a talking point, go read:

https://www.snopes.com/pelosi-health...what-is-in-it/
And yet the majority on both sides of the aisle DIDN'T read it prior to voting for it!
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