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Old 12-11-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Apparently you are not following the news too closely if you think there has been no real change. According to you perhaps, but others feel quite strongly that something significant has changed, obviously. Maybe not for Americans sitting comfortably in their living rooms watching what little they do from that part of the world, but for those protesting and fighting and even dying, there's more going on than they can again accept without strong protest. Weak though the protests may be compared to the overwhelming forces against them...
Your "logic" reminds me of an article in today's New York Times, In a Blow to Hamas, Israel Destroys Tunnel From Gaza. A pithy quote from the article says "the action against the tunnel injected another element of uncertainty into the simmering tensions over President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel." Those tunnels would have had to have been built awfully fast for them to be a reaction to the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

As Nikki Haley more accurately said, as quoted in the same article, "(e)verybody said the sky was going to fall,” she said in an interview with Jake Tapper on CNN. “The sky is still up there, it hasn’t fallen.” The reaction by real people has been muted, though you can count on some "leaders" to mount atrocities.

 
Old 12-11-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Hate for Jews did not start with Muslims in N. Africa & the Middle East as there was nearly none before WW1. There were nearly 1.5M in Muslim countries living and doing business as everyone else. But when Europeans entered the picture and brought their anti-semitism with them things changed for the worse (which included a negative affect for Arab Christians as a side effect). The Europeans, especially Britain, promised numerous things to Arabs creating Arabism. The Arabs were promised numerous items to numerous tribes even if it conflicted itself. The Jews were gone from those two regions by the early 1950's and the Christians are nearly gone now. Take a look at Iraq and Jordan. They were gifted to a person from Saudi Arabia and not the local population.
You are fluctuating the facts
And move away from the truth
When Muhammad declared the war against the Jews, he came from God to kill them and when Muhammad declared war on the infidels
؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟I think the British Crown was also the reason؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
You have to refer to the verses of the Koran that declare fighting against Jews and infidels
It is a source of hatred and terrorism not only against Jews but against humanity
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:01 PM
 
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Trumps foreign policy is beginning to bear fruit: attempted terror attack in NYC.
Do you fear terrorism?
You have to uproot its roots and America and the free world to declare war on ideology, ideology and Islam as an intellectual cancer and intellectual disease that the world should judge.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I've yet to see anyone come up with a single legitimate reason how it will lead to peace.
Maybe treating the Palestinians like adults is a good idea. They should be given no reason to believe that Jerusalem is on the table for territorial surrender.
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Other the other hand, there has been no peace there ever anyway. So there's no valid reason to keep doing what we're doing and expecting different results. Ain't gonna happen. Palestinians are victims of their own leaders who will not let them live under peace until Israel is wiped off the face of the earth. That's the issue here. So maybe it is time to try something new.
Maybe if the Palestinians wouldn't indulge the fantasy that Israel is going to go away, they'd negotiate some sort of borders with Israel. And open trade and cultural relations. Hey, they could make some money.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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You will never have peace in the middle East until both side want peace.

Israel wants only to be left alone, and for people to quit bombing them and shooting rockets at their villages.

The Palestinian govt, and several other middle Eastern governments, want the annihilation of Israel. And they keep training whatever fanatics they can find, to carry it out.

Peace is impossible, and will never happen, as long as they do.

It's kind of a shame, since most ordinary Palestinian people don't much care about Israel, and would just as soon leave them alone.
Yes that's right
Peace is the will of both parties
But Arabs and Muslims dream of destroying Israel
I believe that Israel has every right to protect its state and its citizens
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The moron in charge has just made the US the official bully of the world. How many will die because of a demented narcissist's twisted mind? Remember, Trump's the one with the nuclear button.
Very profound </sarcasm>
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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One could say the same for the last 3 presidents who've allowed the Palestinians to act as they do and in fact encouraged more bad behavior by them because they constantly give 'em bribes to stop them from being violent.
Let's face it. The US has had zero success in moderating peace in the middle east and for good reason. Western logic doesn't apply to middle-eastern tribalism. It doesn't work. Doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results is a sure sign of a mental illness. That's what's so damn interesting about Trump (who I hate) doing something different for a change. Yes, there will be terror attacks, but what else is new? They happen daily, even during the times of relative quiet.

We have welcomed BDS into this country to infiltrate our campuses to spread anti-semitism and hate. And it's been working for them and encouraging false hope that they're going to succeed in pushing the Jews into the sea. Their successes have embolded them to the point where they feel they don't need to negotiate.

I think a wake-up call just might be what they need to come around.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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Maybe treating the Palestinians like adults is a good idea. They should be given no reason to believe that Jerusalem is on the table for territorial surrender. Maybe if the Palestinians wouldn't indulge the fantasy that Israel is going to go away, they'd negotiate some sort of borders with Israel. And open trade and cultural relations. Hey, they could make some money.
Yeah, I agree. See my previous post.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:22 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Maybe we should have negotiated with Charles Manson, Stephen Paddock and Devin Patrick Kelley. We could have discovered their "inner child." At the very least we could have defused their violent anger.
I know I appreciate this sort of evidence about what sort of "thinking" goes on in the minds of too many commenting in this thread...

What garbage, and to think there are people who probably applaud this sort of comment! Mind boggling...
Why?
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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