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Old 12-11-2017, 08:27 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Let's face it. The US has had zero success in moderating peace in the middle east and for good reason. Western logic doesn't apply to middle-eastern tribalism.
Exactly. The mode of warfare is tribal. Kill indiscriminately, or any reason or no reason at all. Also, the tribal chiefs, a/k/a "leaders" of Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah are quite wealthy. The tribespeople, not so much.

 
Old 12-12-2017, 07:01 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Let's face it. The US has had zero success in moderating peace in the middle east and for good reason. Western logic doesn't apply to middle-eastern tribalism. It doesn't work. Doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results is a sure sign of a mental illness. That's what's so damn interesting about Trump (who I hate) doing something different for a change. Yes, there will be terror attacks, but what else is new? They happen daily, even during the times of relative quiet.

We have welcomed BDS into this country to infiltrate our campuses to spread anti-semitism and hate. And it's been working for them and encouraging false hope that they're going to succeed in pushing the Jews into the sea. Their successes have embolded them to the point where they feel they don't need to negotiate.

I think a wake-up call just might be what they need to come around.
Let's also not forget that Iran and others are constantly pushing and encouraging and re-supplying the fighting,bombing,missile launches etc.
 
Old 12-12-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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So, you are ok with our new border wall then.
No, I'm not, because we don't have that sort of problem of killing one another with Mexico. We have different issues with Mexico that can be better resolved in other more effective and less divisive ways, and those issues with Mexicans for Americans are not life-or-death sort of issues, in fact the opposite in many ways.

Yet another bonehead step by Trump...
 
Old 12-12-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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And what amazes me is that when Israel wants to build a barrier to keep the Palestinian terrorists out, the whole world condemns them for building an "apartheid wall.'' But when Egypt builds a wall for the exact same reason, and with the exact same people on the other side of it . . . crickets from the world community.

The double standard is sickening, but par for the course. Anti-semitism is alive and well, even now in the year 2017.
Well that's certainly another way to look at this issue. Wrong, but another way, and tacking on anti-Semitism to draw attention from the right or wrong of these matters is another quite common distraction as well, by those who don't appreciate that sort of attention.
 
Old 12-12-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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Don't worry Trump-haters, North Korea and Little Kim fully support your side of things:

North Korea Blasts

"North Korea blasted President Donald Trump on Saturday for his 'reckless, wicked act' of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and called him a 'dotard' anew."
Classic! Of all the world leaders who have condemned Trump's mistake and explained why, there are actually those who would choose only to quote Kim Jung-un...

If that doesn't demonstrate the extreme biased agenda and profound confirmation bias at work in the minds of some, I don't know what does. Talk about evidence of a dotard...

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Old 12-12-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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One could say the same for the last 3 presidents who've allowed the Palestinians to act as they do and in fact encouraged more bad behavior by them because they constantly give 'em bribes to stop them from being violent.
Yes, one could say such a thing, but playing the blame game when it comes to prior presidents who haven't done right with regard to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict takes too long and only wastes more time. Now, today, what matters is what blame Trump rightfully deserves for doing more harm than good.

"Two wrongs don't make a right," nor three or four or five...
 
Old 12-12-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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Whenever more advanced people move into an area filled by primitive people the results are tragic. With your logic we'd still be in the Bronze Age if not the Stone Age.
Seems you are about as close to understanding my logic as a parrot.

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Old 12-12-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Your "logic" reminds me of an article in today's New York Times, In a Blow to Hamas, Israel Destroys Tunnel From Gaza. A pithy quote from the article says "the action against the tunnel injected another element of uncertainty into the simmering tensions over President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel." Those tunnels would have had to have been built awfully fast for them to be a reaction to the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

As Nikki Haley more accurately said, as quoted in the same article, "(e)verybody said the sky was going to fall,” she said in an interview with Jake Tapper on CNN. “The sky is still up there, it hasn’t fallen.” The reaction by real people has been muted, though you can count on some "leaders" to mount atrocities.
You're ongoing attempts to understand and/or interpret my logic is getting embarrassing (and not for me)...

For starters, I don't think this conflict and violence that constantly gets fanned one way or another is all about whether the "sky is falling" or whether Israel will be "wiped from the map." I'm not prone toward extremism. What alternative better chances for peace, less killing, are where more intelligent people tend to focus their attention. How to foster better chances for peace also includes where and how not to aggravate tensions as well.

Of course, but you will not understand any of this either. Instead you'll go on with all the rest who are apparently more interested in all focus to the contrary, like all too many have been doing for all too many decades now!
 
Old 12-12-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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Let's face it. The US has had zero success in moderating peace in the middle east and for good reason. Western logic doesn't apply to middle-eastern tribalism. It doesn't work. Doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results is a sure sign of a mental illness. That's what's so damn interesting about Trump (who I hate) doing something different for a change. Yes, there will be terror attacks, but what else is new? They happen daily, even during the times of relative quiet.

We have welcomed BDS into this country to infiltrate our campuses to spread anti-semitism and hate. And it's been working for them and encouraging false hope that they're going to succeed in pushing the Jews into the sea. Their successes have embolded them to the point where they feel they don't need to negotiate.

I think a wake-up call just might be what they need to come around.
Change can be good, very good, but any change is not necessarily good. Change can just as easily be bad as well, very bad. We all know this...

No need to list all the obvious and serious examples of this truth and history that has taught us that better judgement about what changes to make are needed. How to move forward rather than backward. Trump is not demonstrating any such better judgement in this regard and all else he seems intent on changing whether for better or worse.
 
Old 12-12-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Let's face it. The US has had zero success in moderating peace in the middle east and for good reason.
You will never have peace in the middle East until both side want peace.

Israel wants only to be left alone, and for people to quit bombing them and shooting rockets at their villages.

The Palestinian govt, and several other middle Eastern governments, want the annihilation of Israel. And they keep training whatever fanatics they can find, to carry it out.

Peace is impossible, and will never happen, as long as they do.

It's kind of a shame, since most ordinary Palestinian people don't much care about Israel, and would just as soon leave them alone. It's the Jew-hating fanatics in the Palestinian government that are keeping the hatred and terrorism going.

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