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Old 12-17-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Amazing how the 'world' reacts to the potential relocation of an embassy.


Theses same people causing violence should somehow be placated by reneging on the promise to move the embassy??????


The violence is far more threatening than moving the embassy. How about stopping the violent protests instead?


95 legislation, every prez since has campaigned on moving the embassy, Trump promised he would like Obama et al. Trump said so during the campaign. No one complained.


Would be a promise trump did not keep for the dems list of 'bad trump' facts.
I wonder how long you would allow yourself to be pushed around before you would resort to violence and then how well you would take to suggestions you stop the violence after you were pushed to that point.

Right. Either you must be violent by nature or maybe you would stop fighting back if asked nicely...

 
Old 12-17-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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Trump is back-peddling on the embassy move. Signed a waiver which puts it on hold.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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Trump is back-peddling on the embassy move. Signed a waiver which puts it on hold.
PROBably a backroom deal with some of the legislators in exchange for something else.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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PROBably a backroom deal with some of the legislators in exchange for something else.
Keep guessing. My guess is that he finally admitted it was a dumb idea.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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Keep guessing. My guess is that he finally admitted it was a dumb idea.
IF having embassies in the capital of the country is dumb, why do we have every other embassy located in the capital?

I can only assume you either hate Trump or Israel so much that common sense is thrown out the window.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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IF!

My question was NOT when we might judge a woman justified to shoot her husband, but whether we should not judge her actions just because she claims some reason for shooting her husband.

There is a difference, a big difference, and your further analogy assumes to many "facts" that in a court of law would need to be sifted through -- objectively -- before judgement as to punishment, up to and including murder, is justified.

She could have been dealing with verbal abuse, for example, that for most people doesn't justify shooting her husband let alone killing him.

Facts and objective judgement matter!


Certainly. But once established that her life was indeed in danger, we would know her actions were justified. Just as we know that Israel has been attacked by terrorists and hostile nations repeatedly since the beginnings of modern Israeli history. This is not debatable. We all read the instances of terrorism and war waged against Israel.


The violence of each side in the Jewish/Arab conflict is not equal, just as the violence between an abused woman and her attacker are not equal. One side has been attacked, and has responded to those attacks with force. In this case, the abused woman and the historically abused Jews.


That is the point, using your own example.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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"No doubt?"

You mean like no doubt impossible without America doing Israel's bidding, and/or no doubt part of why America is also defending itself against terrorism, like 9/11? Or no doubt the ongoing insult to all Arabs is part of the one-sided Israeli/American narrative?

"No doubt has something to do with" that too...

A good day!







Your post makes no sense. Stick with the point you were discussing please. The Jews are viewed favorably by many in the US because of their actions. The Arabs are viewed unfavorably in the US by very many because of their own actions.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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I wonder how long you would allow yourself to be pushed around before you would resort to violence and then how well you would take to suggestions you stop the violence after you were pushed to that point.

Right. Either you must be violent by nature or maybe you would stop fighting back if asked nicely...



Exactly the point of the Jews, and why Israel no longer allows itself to be abused by the world.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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Keep guessing. My guess is that he finally admitted it was a dumb idea.

He admitted he would sign a waiver even as he was changing US policy because he said it would take 3-4 years to accomplish. The penalties of the order take effect immediately if the waiver isn't signed, so a waiver will still have to be signed every 6 months until the embassy is actually occupied, apparently. Even through the actual construction of the embassy, until it is officially serving as the embassy after construction.


This is not a backpeddling, just necessary admin stuff while the move is being made.
 
Old 12-17-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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He admitted he would sign a waiver even as he was changing US policy because he said it would take 3-4 years to accomplish. The penalties of the order take effect immediately if the waiver isn't signed, so a waiver will still have to be signed every 6 months until the embassy is actually occupied, apparently. Even through the actual construction of the embassy, until it is officially serving as the embassy after construction.


This is not a backpeddling, just necessary admin stuff while the move is being made.
I say we just hang a new sign for the consulate in Jerusalem to embassy and move a few personnel.
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