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Old 12-09-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: NC
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Palestine doesn't exist in the Biblical context, Israel and the Jews have and for quite some time, so this is the right thing to do.

 
Old 12-09-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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So is that what it comes down to?

Perhaps we should do a cost-benefit analysis comparing the financial support we give Israel against the economic benefits.

It the meantime we can screw over the Palestinian Christians because we assume we 'don't make enough money off of them'.
It's obvious as to why you're insinuating that Palestinian Arab society has a significant Christian population. It's as baseless as all the other garbage you've thrown into this thread.
"Palestine is today perhaps the most homogeneous society in the Middle East in matters of religion, being the only country with close to 100% of its population belonging to Sunni Islam."
"In the autonomous regions that generally are called Palestine, however, their number is radically lower, only 0.6%. Large groups of Christians have left their homelands, facing hardship from the Muslim majority, in particular from Islamists."
Palestine / Religions - LookLex Encyclopaedia

It is an Islamic society with strong fundamentalist and radical tendencies.
Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Fatah Martyrs Brigades. A palestinian state would soon become radicalized to reflect the extremism and fundamentalist Islamism of its population.

https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ution/5106.htm
https://www.investigativeproject.org...cution-in-gaza

There are many more Israeli Christians.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I will note that Russia recognized 'west' Jerusalem as the capital, not the eastern part.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-his...raels-capital/

If Mr. Trump had done the same, perhaps the 'days of rage' would only be two days, not three.
In part of the speech Trump said:
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We are not taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 08:09 PM
 
Location: NYC
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The problem with the global outcry about Trump's announcement is that it reflects an approach to the conflict that is short term and tactical instead of long term and strategic. It persists in the fiction of a peace process that rests on extremely flawed foundations. It sweeps the real issues underlying the conflict and preventing its resolution under the rug and creates a totally false paradigm for solving it.

As long as the "international community" tacitly endorses the notion that the Jews' rights to their national and spiritual cradle are negotiable, it feeds into the Arabs' fantasy that Israel's existence is temporary and thereby destroys any prospects for peace.

As long as the international community clings to the idea that Israel can be treated differently from every other nation on earth, it gives oxygen to the Palestinians' continued intransigence.

The sooner the international community disabuses the Palestinians of unrealistic expectations and sends a clear signal that it supports the Jews' claim to their one and only national homeland -- which Trump's announcement is a first step towards -- the sooner there will be a glimmer of hope that this intractable conflict may turn towards resolution. Trump's announcement is like ripping off the band aid -- it may hurt really bad at first but it will help long term.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The problem with the global outcry about Trump's announcement is that it reflects an approach to the conflict that is short term and tactical instead of long term and strategic. It persists in the fiction of a peace process that rests on extremely flawed foundations. It sweeps the real issues underlying the conflict and preventing its resolution under the rug and creates a totally false paradigm for solving it.

As long as the "international community" tacitly endorses the notion that the Jews' rights to their national and spiritual cradle are negotiable, it feeds into the Arabs' fantasy that Israel's existence is temporary and thereby destroys any prospects for peace.

As long as the international community clings to the idea that Israel can be treated differently from every other nation on earth, it gives oxygen to the Palestinians' continued intransigence.

The sooner the international community disabuses the Palestinians of unrealistic expectations and sends a clear signal that it supports the Jews' claim to their one and only national homeland -- which Trump's announcement is a first step towards -- the sooner there will be a glimmer of hope that this intractable conflict may turn towards resolution. Trump's announcement is like ripping off the band aid -- it may hurt really bad at first but it will help long term.
I'll add to that a dirty little secret; the Arabs are not getting back Jerusalem, no matter how many car rammings and knifings occur.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 09:57 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I'll add to that a dirty little secret; the Arabs are not getting back Jerusalem, no matter how many car rammings and knifings occur.
Or fire bombings of Jews in Europe.

https://www.rt.com/news/412611-swede...tov-cocktails/
 
Old 12-09-2017, 10:07 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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So is that what it comes down to?

Perhaps we should do a cost-benefit analysis comparing the financial support we give Israel against the economic benefits.

It the meantime we can screw over the Palestinian Christians because we assume we 'don't make enough money off of them'.
First, the US does not give any economic aid to Israel.

Next, The Palestinian Christians are being screwed over by the Palestinian Muslims. They do just fine living with Israeli Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Israel
 
Old 12-09-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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I would like to thank President Trump

The truth to Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

But Muslims and Arabs have conquered Jerusalem and destroyed its history

I appeal to Palestinian Christians to support President Trump
Because Muslims today cry over the Christian sanctities in Jerusalem
But they forget that they destroyed the churches of Iraq, Syria and Egypt
Yes, welcome to your courageous decision, Sir Trump
 
Old 12-09-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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First, the US does not give any economic aid to Israel.

Next, The Palestinian Christians are being screwed over by the Palestinian Muslims. They do just fine living with Israeli Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Israel
During the Crusades Eastern Christians were Muslims
But after the Muslims won, they betrayed and abandoned the Christian brothers
History attests to the suffering of Eastern Christians with invading Muslims
Palestinian Christians should stand with Jews because they are the rightful owners of Palestine, Arabs and Muslims, invaders and occupiers
 
Old 12-09-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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Europe today is afraid of terrorist Islam
And therefore subject to the conditions of Muslims
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