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Old 12-06-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Some people are really sticklers for rules and authority, believing it to always be correct and decrying anyone who questions it. My question is, if laws are constantly changing, that means that they're not perfect, and therefore don't inherently deserve respect just by virtue of being a law. Some that was legal 5 years ago might be illegal now, or vice versa, so which was was "correct"? Was it right before when it was legal but it's somehow "wrong" now just because there are laws against it. Or must you subject yourself to the ever changing whims of public opinion and go with the times i.e. it was acceptable before the law was passed but now it's wrong, and if they repeal the law it becomes "right" again.

I would really like to hear from those authoritarian people out there that seem to have blind respect and admiration for anyone in a position of power. How do you reckon with the fact that laws change over time, and how do you know what authority figures/rules to respect and obey because the laws change so much?

IMO, it's much better to stay consistent in your beliefs and not subject them to the whims of public opinion and changing times. Because if you don't that just shows that you're hanging on the words of an authority figure by virtue of them being an authority figure, not because of any logic, reason or consistency in their rules.


How do authoritarians reckon with the ever-changing laws and still always "respect and follow authority"?
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:17 AM
 
Location: SGV
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You're putting the cart before the horse.

First, one must consent to be subjected to an authority and its laws.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You're putting the cart before the horse.

First, one must consent to be subjected to an authority and its laws.
This is a load of bull. The consent is living in an area. Unless we have a utopian society, when you are in a country, province, county and town, you agree to those regulations. It is like walking into a restaurant and being told to get out because you don't have shoes on...
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Modern society has laws to help keep the order. No laws would equal chaos.

Your arguement OP is like asking the founding fathers of America how could they not see the development of more powerful weapons then their single shot flintlocks when they penned that pesky Second Amendment to the Constitution?

I would ask them the same about the First amendment and the internet.

Laws change all the time, just ask the guy sitting in jail for being caught with a couple of marijuana plants growing in his backyard last year compared to the state rubbing it's hands together in glee at the windfall of taxes coming their way now that pot is legal, in my state anyway.


We have laws for a reason and they do evolve with the times.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: SGV
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This is a load of bull. The consent is living in an area. Unless we have a utopian society, when you are in a country, province, county and town, you agree to those regulations. It is like walking into a restaurant and being told to get out because you don't have shoes on...
And the initial consent occurred after you spilled out of a vagina, correct?
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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This is a load of bull. The consent is living in an area. Unless we have a utopian society, when you are in a country, province, county and town, you agree to those regulations. It is like walking into a restaurant and being told to get out because you don't have shoes on...
Now you've done it, he'll be getting out his soapbox.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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This is a load of bull. The consent is living in an area. Unless we have a utopian society, when you are in a country, province, county and town, you agree to those regulations. It is like walking into a restaurant and being told to get out because you don't have shoes on...
Applying your logic we can see that someone who lives within the turf of a drug lord, is subject to his rules.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Now you've done it, he'll be getting out his soapbox.
I don't own a soapbox. I rent it from the government.

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Old 12-06-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Applying your logic we can see that someone who lives within the turf of a drug lord, is subject to his rules.



Well yes. Ask those that live under the shadow of a street gang, a warlord, dictator or a religious extremist terrorist group like isis.

They all have laws and most people in their area will keep their heads down and go about their daily routines but woe be to the one that breaks their laws because their world will come crashing down.

In America laws, well some laws are bendable. You can't rob a bank and shoot the teller without having some problems. Not that many years ago illegal immigration was a problem and now we have cities and states violating federal law by becoming so called sanctuary places for people that are breaking the law.
We have also seen reductions in the sentences of criminals that have broken the law and the mind set is that the criminals are victims themselves.

It is crazy. In the end laws are only as strong as people that choose to follow them.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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This is a load of bull. The consent is living in an area. Unless we have a utopian society, when you are in a country, province, county and town, you agree to those regulations. It is like walking into a restaurant and being told to get out because you don't have shoes on...
Nah. The restaurant is actually someone else's property. Not the same as being on your own property and being subject to your neighbor's will just by living near them. With that logic, why don't people in Canada or Mexico need to abide by "our" laws? They live near us, so they agreed to it.

To the OP, yes. I often get in arguments with people here due to that disagreement. They believe the law is the law, you're the bad guy if you disobey, you agreed by living there, etc., but that justifies anything a government ever does.

Lots of evil stuff has been legal, and people have supported it because "that's what the law says", as if that transforms evil into good, or vice versa. You could make rape okay with the stroke of a pen apparently...
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