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Old 12-14-2017, 05:24 AM
 
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Not from a legal standpoint-I expect that the legal system has reasonably well defined standards. But from a social or societal one. Doesn't matter if the accused is a Democrat or Republican, celebrity or CEO. What is a reasonable standard of proof or evidence to condemn one, to ruin their life and reputation, and their career?

This is not to provide an excuse to abusers or harassers. True perpetrators deserve nothing but contempt and scorn, to be ostracised and fired. Thing is-anyone can make a claim of sexual harassment or abuse at any time. The vast majority of the cases take place behind closed doors and are "he said, she said".

In far too many of these cases it sounds as if these actions were known to co-workers for years, if not decades. Women were warned not to be alone with Mr. X. Why didn't anyone, any of those co-workers go after him? In those cases it seems pretty clearcut-especially with victims coming forward as events happen.

Other cases, not so much. Cases where not a single word is spoken, a single accusation made. Where the alleged perp is respected by co-workers and no rumors exist. Yet....2 weeks before an election a victim (that far too often happens to be working on the campaign of the opposition) pops up and makes a claim. And of course far too often the media runs with those rumors with no efforts to verify the reports.

So, again-what is a reasonable standard? When should alternative motives be questioned-rather for political gain or a fat court settlement? What is a reasonable amount of proof before we accept it and destroy someone's life?
Who wrote that? You forgot to include a link.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:26 AM
 
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Here, let me save all the Dem/Leftist/SJW types here some time and answer for them:

You are a sexist bastard, who is complicit with not only harassment, but rape and pedophilia for even the mere suggestion that there should be some type of standard.

No man's life and career is worth furthering toxic male culture.
And if some accusations are false and a few innocent men have to pay the price to further the agenda and serve the collective then that's just too bad. (they're probably guilty of something else anyways, just by virtue of having a penis.....and to make matters worse, odds are they're probably white too)

Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Michele Obama, Kirsten Gillibrand.....or some other yet to be named Liberal with a vagina for president 2020!!!!!!
This kind of comment is disgusting, minimizes the sexual harassment behaviour and does little to truly address the complexities of this issue.

It shows the mind set that many are fighting against.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:31 AM
 
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Read this, written by an HR director.

“My department reported those stats (sexual harassment) every month, and 90% of them were BS (woman recanted, proven liar, etc.) Yet each one counted all the same.”

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/...052794/?page=1
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:32 AM
 
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This kind of comment is disgusting, minimizes the sexual harassment behaviour and does little to truly address the complexities of this issue.

It shows the mind set that many are fighting against.
It shows what is wrong and while sexual harassment is such a big problem in this country. I think we have turned a corner in addressing it, and it's great to see. Dinosaurs like Trump and his ilk are too old to change, at this point one can only hope they keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves.

16 women have accused Trump of harassment and he says all 16 are liars. Yea, right, Dotard, they are all liars.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:32 AM
 
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Don't think that will ever be unanimously agreed to. Btw, your location is T E doubleN e doubleS doubleEE, not Tennesee.
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Honestly, I think the first conversation we need to have is one about what is and is not acceptable behavior in the first place.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:33 AM
 
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Read this, written by an HR director.

“My department reported those stats (sexual harassment) every month, and 90% of them were BS (woman recanted, proven liar, etc.) Yet each one counted all the same.”

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/...052794/?page=1
A link to an AR-15 forum? What on earth are you thinking?

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Old 12-14-2017, 05:37 AM
 
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It shows what is wrong and while sexual harassment is such a big problem in this country. I think we have turned a corner in addressing it, and it's great to see. Dinosaurs like Trump and his ilk are too old to change, at this point one can only hope they keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves.

16 women have accused Trump of harassment and he says all 16 are liars. Yea, right, Dotard, they are all liars.


How many accusers do we need?
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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This is not to diminish sexual assault. There is no doubt in my mind though, that we have entered a Salem Witch Trails moment, era for this.

President Trump's accusers should prove their allegations. Indeed, all of the accusers of what s getting to be an impossible to track number. In a court of law. Surely, one or two of Mr Trump's accusers can prove their case. And that would be sufficient. But, given the actions of other politicians while in office and Trump's alleged actions iirc, all being pre-office and many years go, should not necessarily lead to his resignation. Should we tear down JFK, or Teddy's statues? How about MLK Jrs? Former President Clinton's?

If so, then off with most every adults head. Because, surely we each have prior actions skeletons in our closets. That would take care of concern about over population, for sure.

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It shows what is wrong and while sexual harassment is such a big problem in this country. I think we have turned a corner in addressing it, and it's great to see. Dinosaurs like Trump and his ilk are too old to change, at this point one can only hope they keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves.

16 women have accused Trump of harassment and he says all 16 are liars. Yea, right, Dotard, they are all liars.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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In Trump's case, he has 18 women who have accused him of sexual harrassment/sexual misconduct.

I guess conservatives just choose to accuse all 18 women of lying and believe Trump?
Interesting !!!

Enough to replace the wheels on a big rig.
They can all sing : You picked a fine time to leave me lose wheel. Then point at each other.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:48 AM
 
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See my post #38 for more, but to answer your question. They are not necessarily liars, however.

President Trump's accusers should prove their allegations. Indeed, all of the accusers of what s getting to be an impossible to track number. In a court of law. Surely, one or two of Mr Trump's accusers can prove their case. And that would be sufficient. But, given the actions of other politicians while in office and Trump's alleged actions iirc, all being pre-office and many years go, should not necessarily lead to his resignation. Should we tear down JFK, or Teddy's statues? How about MLK Jrs? Former President Clinton's?


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16 women have accused Trump of harassment and he says all 16 are liars. Yea, right, Dotard, they are all liars.
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