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Old 12-09-2017, 01:52 PM
 
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See this is where the problem is, past instances of crying wolf, drama and false accusations (hands up don't shoot, Michael brown, Baltimore and others) coming from the leftist media and politicians as well as the drama of your title will people think this is just another leftist dramas?

The media and politicians didn't do anyone any favors.
Very deeeep
Did watch the video or just read the title?
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Old 12-09-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Typical idiots hoodwinked by the edited click-bait videos. Move along. Nothing to see here other than the faux outrage of people that make a decision based on a edited video.
The video was edited???
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Old 12-09-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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It fills my heart with sadness when I see people here defending this heinous crime. Our country may never come together if we cannot agree on basic morality. What a shame.
It really is quite shocking. Hard to comprehend how some elevate these cops to god like status and just accept that any wrong move could mean forfeiting your live no matter the context. Some people have forgotten that cops are NOT supposed to be judge, jury and executioner or perhaps that is what they yearn for... who knows.
But they cling onto with everything they got to this notion that every fart, that the officer might can construe for "reaching for a gun" should clear them with engaging with lethal force. It beggars belief.

I get it, cops don't have an easy job, they really don't and one of the reasons is that they are in job where they have to overcome their fear, prejudice and other personal bias they might have and asses any given situation reasonably and rationally. They are given great power and should act accordingly with that responsibility, so no if your first instinct (reaction) is to protect YOURSELF and further you think the only way to protect yourself is to eliminate (as in kill) the, what you consider to be , threat then you are NOT fit to be a police officer.

That is why normally not every Tom, Dick and Harry could become one. It's a serious job that requires a huge skill set. Unfortunately we have gotten very soft on these skills and now every blunt instrument seems to be able to become a cop. Result is that we have skilled shooters and good trigger pullers, perhaps even well tactically trained officers. But that is simply not enough, we are not in war zone, lethal force should be avoided at all cost and should be the very last necessary choice, not the first choice as soon as suspects don't "comply".
After all there is human element and how people react in situations like this differs greatly. But people like "InformedConsent" don't understand that. They think by claiming to have the facts on their side, although simply stating a movement construed as reaching for a gun is enough to warrant lethal force is far from a fact. they want to diminish the human part in the equation and put it down as being "emotional". It is just the narrative the Police have been feeding to protect their own and some people have completely bought into it.

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Old 12-09-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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the guy was reaching for something in his waist band, cops aren't going to wait to see if it's a gun, then it's too late. Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you don't follow police commands.
That's what I would say in most circumstances.
In this case, the instructions were impossible to follow.
The poor drunk moron was in tears trying to comply.
All of you, get on the floor and try to crawl forward
with your hands over your head with your legs crossed.
He should have just laid there, spread eagle and limp.
They had the situation under control; I saw need to shoot.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:03 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Pretty simple, really. When one is reported as an armed suspect, one does not make moves consistent with reaching for a weapon.
How did he know he had been ‘reported’ as an armed suspect? How did even know why the cops were there at all? You act we should all have prescient awareness or it’s our fault when cops shoot us. Ridiculous.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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It really is quite shocking. Hard to comprehend how some elevate this cops to god like status and just accept that any wrong move could mean forfeiting your live no matter the context. .
You have a vivid imagination. Nowhere in this entire thread has anyone compared the cop to God.


Now...pay attention:


The cop told the guy that if he moves his hand toward the small of his back, he'll shoot him. So what's the guy do? Moves his hand toward the small of his back.


/end


It's not rocket science, even for the endlessly stupid.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Is the death penalty in effect in Arizona for those who pull up their pants while being instructed to crawl?
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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You have a vivid imagination. Nowhere in this entire thread has anyone compared the cop to God.

Very next sentence you proof my point! Oh the irony

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Now...pay attention:


The cop told the guy that if he moves his hand toward the small of his back, he'll shoot him. So what's the guy do? Moves his hand toward the small of his back.


/end


It's not rocket science, even for the endlessly stupid.
In your world a cop has the right to kill you if you do something he "forbids" you. No question asked, no context required.
But no ma'am you do not treat them as gods and "Nowhere" you state so.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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Is the death penalty in effect in Arizona for those who pull up their pants while being instructed to crawl?
Now now..... it doesn't matter. The god... sorry cop told him to not do it. If cops can't shoot people on their knees crying who dare not be composed enough to follow every "command" to the letter at once . Well then who can they shoot? I mean it gets boring shooting your new cool AR just at paper targets. Also how are they supposed to build up 'street-cred' with the fellow officers if they have to wait perhaps YEARS for an incident where lethal force in the traditional sense is necessary and they can get a kill?

Guy should have listened. Clearly his fault. Don't be emotional.
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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The trial did. That is fact. Jurors' perspective. Did they support LEO's actions with a reported as armed man (scoped weapon pointed out hotel window) who made a movement consistent with reaching for a weapon? Why, yes they did.
I don't give a crap when the trial was. You were wrong claiming numerous times that this incident happened after Vegas. It did not. End of story.
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