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Old 12-08-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Steele had the dossier, not the Russians.
From what I've read, he passed it on to the FBI.

The only way Russians were involved was as sources.
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Old 12-08-2017, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Link?
Lol--there is no link because it is Alex Jones.

And from October--so the OP is really digging into the Infowars archives. That's desperation--recycled Alex Jones.

https://www.infowars.com/clinton-cam...ussia-dossier/
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Except for the part where the dossier was first funded by the Republicans, right?

REPUBLICANS ARE PRETENDING THEY DIDN'T FUND THE TRUMP GOLDEN SHOWER DOSSIER - Newsweek

Facts is a B*, isn't it?
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No, that would not be entirely incorrect.

A Republican group called The Washington Free Beacon did hire Fusion GPS to do opposition research on the Republican candidates, but they did not hire the former British spy Michael Steele. Once Trump won the primary, the Washington Free Beacon canceled their contract with Fusion GPS. That is when Fusion GPS asked the DNC and Hilary campaign if they wanted to continue research on Trump. That was when the DNC hired Steele, the former British spy.

Fusion GPS and the Washington Free Beacon

All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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"“Let’s remember a couple of things about the dossier,” Jordan replied. “The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, which we now know were one and the same, paid the law firm who paid Fusion GPS who paid Christopher Steele who then paid Russians to put together a report that we call a dossier full of all kinds of fake news, National Enquirer garbage and it’s been reported that this dossier was all dressed up by the FBI, taken to the FISA court and presented as a legitimate intelligence document — that it became the basis for a warrant to spy on Americans."

Jim Jordan pushes FBI on ties between Peter Strzok, Trump surveillance

That from a Republican Congressman. The Clinton campaign payment to the lawyers, the lawyers payment to Fusion GPS, the Fusions GPS hiring of Steele and Steele's payment to the Russians is verified.

Whether Strzok presented a version of the "dossier", debunked opposition research, to the FISA court to obtain the warrant to spy on the the Trump transition will come out if the investigating committee can ever get the FBI to release the information the warrant is based on.
You connect the dots very well. Something else to ponder about the FISA warrant: If it was Strzok who brought the dossier to FISA & got the warrant to wire tap Trump tour/team Trump, how did he convince the judge? FISA grants a very low % of the requests for surveillance warrants. You have to bring heavy duty evidence to get one from FISA. In fact FISA had already turned the FBI down at least once regarding Trump, so they must have returned with something conclusive in order to get FISA to say yes.

That's why it can't be the dossier, because James Comey said as recently as June 2017 that the dossier was "unverified". In fact the dossier had such low credibility that not a single member of the hate-Trump media would publish the story for months. It couldn't have possibly been the unverified dossier that got the FISA warrants. Unless....Strzok lied to the FISA court and told them the FBI had verified the dossier, when in fact it hadn't.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Except for the part where the dossier was first funded by the Republicans, right?

REPUBLICANS ARE PRETENDING THEY DIDN'T FUND THE TRUMP GOLDEN SHOWER DOSSIER - Newsweek

Facts is a B*, isn't it?
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I'm sure several people have corrected you by now on this, but I'll pile on. Republicans (and I'm not one) did not fund anything about golden showers. They funded fusion GPS at the beginning, to run normal opposition research on Trump. It wasn't till the Clinton campaign started colluding with the Russians, that the paid Russian government & intelligence agents created the dossier for them that including the nonsense about golden showers. So no, the Republicans never funded "the Trump golden shower dossier".

I don't think you're a lair btw, I just think you're ignorant and didn't know what you were talking about. What's fun is watching you thump your chest like an ape, while getting it all wrong.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:43 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Steele had the dossier, not the Russians.
Steele, acting as proxy for the Clinton campaign, paid Russian intelligence agents and government officials to dig up dirt on Trump. Steele then packaged the info he paid the Russians for, into a report which is now known as the "dossier".
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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There was no collusion, it's not illegal to hire someone to do opposition research. You might want to look up the definition of collusion

"1. a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: 2. Law. secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement."

I think you would do well to get a new hobby
If it's not illegal to hire Russian intelligence and government officials to do opposition research on a presidential candidate, why the big hub-hub over the Donald Jr meeting?
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