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Old 12-09-2017, 09:42 PM
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
I am sorry you don’t understand basic science... water isn’t added into the ocean, it’s just changing from a solid state to liquid state... your lake is getting water added to it via snow...
So you're saying the melting glacier ice doesn't add to the rising lake level?

Old 12-09-2017, 10:03 PM
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by OrganicSmallHome View Post
You'd think that the deniers would at least care about their own children's future, but nope.

Many assumptions here. I don't have kids and don't hang with treehuggers.
Old 12-09-2017, 10:05 PM
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Joe90 View Post
So you're saying the melting glacier ice doesn't add to the rising lake level?
Doesn't the lake drain? Or is there a dam.
Old 12-09-2017, 10:11 PM
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Originally Posted by finalmove View Post
Doesn't the lake drain? Or is there a dam.
The lake drains through a control weir, but the glacier is retreating rather quickly, so a summer's worth of melt, can represent many years worth of snowfall.

The oceans could be viewed as a lake without an outlet though.

It seems an odd thing to say that melting ice won't have an impact on adjacent water levels - it's a kind of "meant to be" argument, that presupposes the oceans as having some sort of natural level, that can't change by the addition or subtraction of water That really seems more religious than rational, in outlook -how do such notions become widespread, in this day and age?

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Old 12-09-2017, 11:18 PM
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by BornintheSprings View Post
So billions of cars and industries have no effect at all on climate? Would you run your car in your garage with the door down?

That's just it.

After a certain amount of CO2 makes its way into the atmosphere (about 20ppm), it seems the warming effect of additional CO2 diminishes exponentially.

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Old 12-10-2017, 01:45 AM
Location: Loleta, CA
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The amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
Old 12-10-2017, 01:58 AM
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
Perhaps you have not read the Paris Accord.

1. In order to achieve the long-term temperature goal set out in Article 2,
Parties aim to reach global peaking of greenhouse gas emissions as soon as
possible, recognizing that peaking will take longer for developing country Parties,
and to undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with best available
science, so as to achieve a balance between anthropogenic emissions by sources
and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century, on the
basis of equity, and in the context of sustainable development and efforts to
eradicate poverty.

[red emphasis mine]
"On the basis of equity", whats wrong with being fair and impartial?
"In the context of sustainable development", whats wrong with sustainable development?
"And efforts to eradicate poverty", whats wrong with eradicating poverty?

The stuff in red is the fun part where there is a massive redistribution of wealth from those according to their ability, to those according to their need.
You oppose the strong defending the weak and the wealthy caring for the needy. And that is not the redistribution of wealth, rather its honor, righteousness, caring and sharing with those in need.

And the real redistribution of wealth is republican supply side/trickle down policies. Like the Bush tax cuts that gave the richest 20% of Americans 67% of the tax cuts, and gave the lowest earning 20% of Americans 1% of the tax cuts.

Or Mitt Romney's tax cuts that would have given $6.6 trillion dollars in tax cuts to large corporations and the wealthy (giving regular Americans nothing.)

And Donald Trump's tax cuts that raise workers income by 0.8% and raise the richest 0.1% of Americans income by 14.2%.

I say screw that. If the agreement was for each country to simply do the best they can to reduce emissions, that would be one thing. But most of the Paris Accord is an international welfare treaty designed to soak productive countries for the unearned and undeserved benefit of the "developing" countries.
America is the only country not involved in the Paris Accord. Do you believe countries like Russia and China would take part in a welfare treaty for poor countries?
The U.S. Is Now the Only Country Not in the Paris Climate Agreement

Countries like Russia and China look after their own interests and would never join a agreement to nation build poor countries without benefits for themselves.

Here is my message to the "developing" countries. Establish Constitutions similar to ours that define and protect individual rights. Get rid of all ties to religion and parochial culture. Respect freedom. Introduce Capitalism, the economic system of freedom recently discovered by China, of all countries. Do that, and development will follow on its own.

How can countries like Peru and Sudan build modern low emission power plants?
(They can't without the help of developed countries like Germany, Russia and China. And those developed countries have agreed to help them in the Paris Accord.)

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