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View Poll Results: Did anyone really NOT expect Republicans to try to stop the Russia Investigation?
Of course I expected them to interfere! 51 75.00%
No,I expected them to allow the invetigation to be completed. 17 25.00%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-10-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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That couldn't be further from the truth.

Every WhiteWater insider (except two, Bill, and Hillary) were prosecuted, and went to prison. There was more than enough to indict Hillary on obstruction, withholding evidence, and lying to federal agents, and there were sample indictment drawn up for Hillary. In fact there is a lawsuit to release Hillary's sample indictments, so they could very well be made public someday.

I think it was pretty clear i was talking about Bill, and i think you knew that ,but wanted to find some weak sauce angle to attack my post.

funny enough you steered clear of the primary points of my post.

Ken starr and other Republicans investigated the clintons over many years despite finding NOTHING on the clintons year after year after year..... it took them about 6 years of investigating BIll to finally get him lying over the exact nature of an affair....



so the crying and whining on this thread about Mueller taking too long etc is pure partisan BS. You guys were fine with endless investigating Bill Clinton for much of his two terms.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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As I said, normally there's an investigation into a crime. i.e. John Doe was murdered, so they investigate the crime. In this case, they're investigating to see if they can find a crime. You don't see the difference?
Cool story, now let me remind you of the 4-6 years of Ken starr and his buddies investigating Bill Clinton...
they started with Whitewater and ended 6 years later with a completely unrelated case ref Bill lying over an affair.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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i dont mean to be rude dude but up until your post this was a facts based thread. would you mind checking your "fake" and 'made up" bs at the door. Your attempt to shift the narrative is pointless because your accusations ref Hillary etc are just noise, no signal...



The thread title is, "When Trump Fires Mueller, What Will Happen?"




Andrew McCabe, James Comey, Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew Weissmann, et. al., are/have been directly involved in the Trump-Russia collusion investigation, no?


That makes their actions, biases and ethical challenges very relevant to the Trump-Russia collusion investigation and makes past investigations by the same partisan witch hunters worthy of a second look.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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As I said, normally there's an investigation into a crime. i.e. John Doe was murdered, so they investigate the crime. In this case, they're investigating to see if they can find a crime. You don't see the difference?
But there is a crime.

The Russians meddled in the free election of a republic. Everyone agrees on this. It is the equivalent to an act of war.

The investigators are following up on leads, some of which implicate the Trump campaign. Then there is the need to find probable cause, ie: the motive.

The fact that Trump has tried to block the investigation makes things worse, now we need to know why he wants to block the investigations on top of everything else.

If the investigations would just proceed unimpeded the innocent will have nothing to fear. The guilty however, would very likely try to block any investigations.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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The 2nd one is fake news.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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Ken starr and other Republicans investigated the clintons over many years despite finding NOTHING on the clintons year after year after year..... it took them about 6 years of investigating BIll to finally get him lying over the exact nature of an affair....[/b]


so the crying and whining on this thread about Mueller taking too long etc is pure partisan BS. You guys were fine with endless investigating Bill Clinton for much of his two terms.
If I were you, I wouldn't pay any attention to the sniveling about long this is taking.

We all know that if Clinton was POTUS, Republicans in Congress would be investigating any accusation or nutball conspiracy nonsense flogged by Fox no matter what the time or cost.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Want investigations into what? Normally investigations involve a crime. i.e. X happens, so they investigate to see who did it. In this case there's no crime, what they're doing is looking for one. When have you heard of that before?

If the roles were reversed and Hillary was under investigation would you feel comfortable with Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon & a team of "lock her up!", Trump donors investigating her?
Pretty much the dictionary definition of a witch hunt.

The only crime that Trump has been proven guilty of is being a political outsider that won an election that he wasn't supposed to win.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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But there is a crime.

The Russians meddled in the free election of a republic. Everyone agrees on this. It is the equivalent to an act of war.

The investigators are following up on leads, some of which implicate the Trump campaign. Then there is the need to find probable cause, ie: the motive.

The fact that Trump has tried to block the investigation makes things worse, now we need to know why he wants to block the investigations on top of everything else.

If the investigations would just proceed unimpeded the innocent will have nothing to fear. The guilty however, would very likely try to block any investigations.
The constantly changing stories doesn't help matters any.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: NC
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The Russians meddled in the free election of a republic. Everyone agrees on this. It is the equivalent to an act of war.

Actually everyone does not agree on this and you do not get to decide what is equivalent to an act of war no more than I do.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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The Mueller investigation "is falling apart"? Funny how Trumpers think they know the details of Mueller's investigation. It's sad, really, how ignorant they are about how government works, about what "truth" means. They would sell this nation to the Russians if Trump told them to. In their world, not one criticism of Trump is allowed. They cannot bear the thought that they were conned by him (although New Yorkers, who've witnessed his antics for decades, tried to warn them), so dig in their heels, hold their nose, and insist that they were correct in voting for him. Moral courage is in short supply among Trump voters.
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