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IF trump fires Muller it will seriously make him look like he did something for sure. Doesn't matter if he did or not.
You're right it will, but Trump's goal right now is just to survive until 2020. He's already given up on a second term, in fact Putin in all likelihood has decided not to run Trump again, he will replace him with a more suitable surrogate. If Trump lets Mueller continue, he stands a better than even chance of getting impeached and he wants to avoid that at all costs.
Thought about setting up a poll on this question but I really hate those things. Better to throw the question up here for open discussion.
It's simply a matter of time before Trump fires Mueller. It's his only chance to stay in office through 2018. In doing so of course he will destroy any chance of re-election, but he really doesn't care about that at this point; he wants to avoid the ultimate humiliation of being impeached from office, which is the likely outcome if he lets the Mueller investigation continue.
We hear talk about a Constitutional crisis if this were to occur, and the Democrats think that Republicans will join in an impeachment - but not sure I buy it. The likely result is that Republicans will give it a lot of lip service and patriotic grandstanding but in the end, they will stand behind their dictator. Maybe he will wait until Moore is elected, because Roy would surely be a powerful ally when he decides to fire Mueller. If he's lucky, McCain's health will continue to fail, because the old man will surely be a thorn in his side. Don't worry, Trump will retain his hardcore base - sure it will shrink, but he will still retain enough of them to fill his rally halls. That will be enough to survive through his first term.
It is plainly obvious that he has been advised against it and he knows how risky it would be.
But Trump is very impulsive, and sometimes makes decisions against his best interest. The other thing to consider is that Mueller might be close to uncovering something so totally bad buried in the business and personal records of the Trump family/organization that Trump might think the firing will give him more options than not.
Trump will be ok while the 115th United States Congress is in place, but the 116th Congress may not be as friendly.
Two things to consider:
#1 - The Democrats may gain control of one or even both houses of Congress. They can not gain the white house through impeachment, but they owe the man nothing at all and could be persuaded to go along with impeachment hearings.
#2 - If Trump is removed with less than two years left to fill out a term, his successor (Pence) would be able to run twice for office, leaving the possibility of almost ten solid years under a president Mike Pence if everything goes well. This would have certain attractions for some in the Republican party, even (or perhaps especially) for the Evangelicals and the Freedom Caucus and they might be willing to dump Trump to pull it off.
It does seem that more Republicans are getting behind Trump, that's because the Mueller investigation is falling apart despite all the efforts to stonewall congress's calls to turn over documents, and even ignore subpoenas.
After the threat of being held in contempt of congress, all hell was starting to break lose as FBI director was read the riot act by members of the House the other day.
It's looking more likely that Mueller will be forced to shut down his investigation as more evidence comes out about the FISA warrant, and Russian dossier. The clock could be running out sooner rather than later on Mueller, and his band of anti-Trump minions.
Trump has to shut him down because there is one thing he fears more than anything else, and that is losing face. When Mueller is finished, there is a better than even chance that Trump will be impeached and he is never going to allow that to happen. If he fires Mueller through Rosenstein he is tossing away 2020 - but he'd rather lose that than get impeached. And as a poster made a good point above, Mueller could potentially bring forth evidence that could damage his business enterprises; he might want to squelch that while the squelching is possible.
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Thought about setting up a poll on this question but I really hate those things. Better to throw the question up here for open discussion.
It's simply a matter of time before Trump fires Mueller. It's his only chance to stay in office through 2018. In doing so of course he will destroy any chance of re-election, but he really doesn't care about that at this point; he wants to avoid the ultimate humiliation of being impeached from office, which is the likely outcome if he lets the Mueller investigation continue.
We hear talk about a Constitutional crisis if this were to occur, and the Democrats think that Republicans will join in an impeachment - but not sure I buy it. The likely result is that Republicans will give it a lot of lip service and patriotic grandstanding but in the end, they will stand behind their dictator. Maybe he will wait until Moore is elected, because Roy would surely be a powerful ally when he decides to fire Mueller. If he's lucky, McCain's health will continue to fail, because the old man will surely be a thorn in his side. Don't worry, Trump will retain his hardcore base - sure it will shrink, but he will still retain enough of them to fill his rally halls. That will be enough to survive through his first term.
You're right it will, but Trump's goal right now is just to survive until 2020. He's already given up on a second term, in fact Putin in all likelihood has decided not to run Trump again, he will replace him with a more suitable surrogate. If Trump lets Mueller continue, he stands a better than even chance of getting impeached and he wants to avoid that at all costs.
impeached for what? so far Mueller has nothing.....where do liberals come up with the idea that Putin runs the U.S.? I thought it was Wall Street and the military industry, well that's what they have been telling us like a broken record but now it's Putin?
as long as the economy is doing good, a sitting President has a better shot than 50-50% to be re-elected. The Democrat Party has a weak bench and Obama left the party in bad shape.
... I believe Flynn is going open up big on the White House.
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That's possible.
Flynn might be willing to take a fall for Trump himself, but he is worried about charges against his son. As mentioned elsewhere the light nature of the charge he has pleaded to seems to indicate they have a deal and he's going to sing like a bird.
Papadopoulos is said to be a bit miffed at how he was portrayed by Trump as a rather inconsequential person. He is young and early in his career and will want to clear his name so it is likely he will pointing fingers up the slope and cooperating fully.
He doesn't need to fire him......Mueller's team seems to be doing a bang up job of exposing themselves as extremely biased and hyper partisan bafoons.
Best thing Trump can do is let them keep doing exactly what they're doing.
Because Trump is impulsive and when he gets backed into a corner, or he thinks he is backed into a corner, he becomes very predictable. He may not NEED to fire him but he WANTS to fire him because every day he lets Mueller continue he loses face (or thinks he does). His statements recently show that he is setting the stage for his removal, by providing "justification" to his base. The whole thing is about playing to his base, he thinks they want him to fire Mueller and that's what he will give them.
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