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Old 12-17-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Why is a tax on consumption not theft?
You have the CHOICE whether to consume or not. Consumption is not based on which favored or unfavored demographic that you belong to. The current system is stealing from productive ppl to pay nonproductive ppl and ppl who made the choice to bear children that they can’t feed.
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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You have the CHOICE whether to consume or not.
You really don't. You have some choice in how much you consume but everyone is going to consume.
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Dirt roads and covered bridges. We aren't going back to the 19th century.
hahaha That's about technology. Do you actually think taxation is the reason we have modern bridges?
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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Taxation is the price of civilization. You don’t like it, move to Somalia.
It's not called "taxes" in Somalia, it is plain put as the Thievers' Paradise.

We do it too, we just call it taxes.

You think them thievers over here get hurt by taxes?

Think again!

Hey, I'm just sort spraying.
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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I've been rooting for the Fair Tax for years, but I don't ever see it happening. In all the talk about the latest "tax reform" it wasn't mentioned once.
"Fair" is a four letter word starting with F and ending with K.
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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hahaha That's about technology. Do you actually think taxation is the reason we have modern bridges?
It has played a role.
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Why do people post things, get follow up questions and then dissapear?
Because they have a life?
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You have the CHOICE whether to consume or not. Consumption is not based on which favored or unfavored demographic that you belong to. The current system is stealing from productive ppl to pay nonproductive ppl and ppl who made the choice to bear children that they can’t feed.
Actually a certain level of consumption is hardly voluntary. Not sure why I should have paid a higher percentage of my income when I was in my twenties than I do today.
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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Why is a tax on consumption not theft?
When you purchase a product, you are entering into a voluntary contract. When the government taxes income, they are taking away your money.

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Repeal the 16th Amendment and you free the people.
Amen

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Right wingers seem to be getting more un-hinged by the day.
So I'm crazy for wanting to tax consumption instead of income? Okay.

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Let's abolish taxes but jack up military spending 5x... yeah, ok you brainiacs.
I'm against increasing military spending and the kind of foreign policy adventurism advocated by neocons like Trump and Obama.

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LOL yeah... as a moderate I have to roll my eyes at the anarchist types. Personally I like my cushy home, nice roads, schools, police protection, national parks, etc.

Let's theorize here.. let's say instead of a debt based currency we had a credit based currency, and let's say the government simply created the money it needed to build roads and schools and spent it directly into the system, debt free. Nobody had to pay any taxes. The price the public would pay for that would in theory be inflation of the money supply, so either way you're paying. Also that leaves the door open for corruption if anybody can just create any amount of money out of thin air that they want. Perhaps that's why debt based banking was created in the first place, to encourage fiscal responsibility? Still I think it would be an interesting idea to try in some country.. get rid of the fractional reserve debt based central bank and experiment a little and see what happens.

Not gonna happen.. the entire world's credit system operates the same way so the point is moot. You know, everyone says low interest rates cause inflation, but looking at a chart of the inflation rate vs the fed funds rate, it seems like a high fed funds rate actually causes inflation. I don't know if we could try that high interest rate experiment with the high debt levels we have now. That would also be interesting to try to "see what happens."
I would rather end the federal reserve and let the free market determine interest rates. But that's a separate issue.

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Taxation is the price of civilization. You don’t like it, move to Somalia.
The founder's disagreed with you. It wasn't until 1913 that we taxed income (even though the income tax originally was only paid by the top 1% of the top 1%). We taxed imports and whiskey and we were fine.

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I've been rooting for the Fair Tax for years, but I don't ever see it happening. In all the talk about the latest "tax reform" it wasn't mentioned once.
Which is sad because the fair tax is the best solution. What's funny is Senators Cruz and Rubio were all for the fair tax as candidates for U.S. Senate, but they didn't mention it on the presidential campaign trail and they are silent on it now.

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These are the same people who voted for Trump, uninformed, who make enough to survive. When they work and fill out their docs. no one is there to point out the correct way to fill out the form.
I voted for Gary Johnson who is a supporter of the fair tax.

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You don't use the roads and bridges your income tax pays for?
We have gas taxes and tolls to pay for roads and bridges.

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No such thing as a fair amount of theft
I agree. But a consumption tax is not really theft. The current income tax and all taxes on earnings and property are.

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I've been an advocate of "Fair Tax" proposal(s) for years. But its chances are very slim; most people don't have a high enough IQ to understand the concept of what taxation should be and was at some point. They insist that it is either some sort of punitive device to punish success or a de facto socialist redistribution scheme. They do not understand that it should be just like any other fee for services rendered in our economy/society. A consumption tax makes perfect sense--you use it, you pay for it.

The really odd thing is that the people who are oppose Fair Tax the most are generally the ones who want to stick it to the rich the most. They don't even get that "the rich" would be paying more in most cases and that the extremely poor would be paying the least. But then, I assume very few of them have bothered actually reading the proposals and thinking them through. They simply see the label "Fair Tax" and blow a head gasket.
Well said!
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Old 12-17-2017, 05:42 PM
 
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We have gas taxes and tolls to pay for roads and bridges.



I agree. But a consumption tax is not really theft. The current income tax and all taxes on earnings and property are.



Well said!
The argument is that taxation is theft but here you argue that a tax is not theft. A tax is a tax is a tax.
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