Why can't we just have voluntary socialism ? (wages, Sanders, ideology)

[Cliksder]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

Sweden and Denmark are not socialist. The means of production and distribution are privately owned. They are capitalist countries with a large social safety net.

The Danish PM literally told Bernie to stop calling them socialist.

Thank you, finally someone who knows what they are talking about.

It's so embarrassing that so many Americans toss around terms like "socialism" but have no clue what it really means.

[BornintheSprings]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Let me prove you’re a liar.

I’m a conservative. I want my local taxes to pay for schools, fire departments and police departments, among other things.

See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Oh I see bare minimum well better that than wanting it all to burn like alot of conservatives.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by jambo101

Socialism def= =

Isnt your state and municipal also considered government?

“Production and distribution of goods.”

You may want to continue using that dictionary some more.

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by le roi

Well, tell that to all these conservatives who don't know the difference in socialism and social democracy.

They're the ones who want everyone to think that the Democrats are a bunch of Stalinists.

Both sides misuse the term.

Did you know that FDR in the 1932 campaign called Herbert Hoover a socialist and pledged to cut federal spending by 25 percent?

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by BornintheSprings

Oh I see bare minimum well better that than wanting it all to burn like alot of conservatives.

So, you’re willing to admit your other post was a lie? Good.

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Let me prove you’re a liar.

I’m a conservative. I want my local taxes to pay for schools, fire departments and police departments, among other things.

See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And I want my state taxes to pay for things the state should do. Roads, infrastructure, safety net, etc. I want the Feds to spend for national defense (the common defense of the states), and a few other things the states allow them to do like interstate commerce, Fed highways, etc.

Some taxes are necessary. Onerous taxes are not.

[BornintheSprings]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

So, you’re willing to admit your other post was a lie? Good.

Its hard to tell with so many posters in this forum wanting all taxation gone not to mention my real life experiences with most conservatives.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by BornintheSprings

Its hard to tell with so many posters in this forum wanting all taxation gone not to mention my real life experiences with most conservatives.

Let’s get a list of names of the posters that want all taxation gone.

I bet your list won’t hit five, and I’d be surprised if you can come up with more than three.

Let’s see this list.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Let’s get a list of names of the posters that want all taxation gone.

I bet your list won’t hit five, and I’d be surprised if you can come up with more than three.

Let’s see this list.

I think there's 3: me, T0103E, and Frank.

I'm just trying to help.

[Hoonose]

Originally Posted by Jen1981

Millennials aren't satisfied with capitalism — and might prefer a socialist country, studies find


Set up a system were people who want to take part in socialism sign up for a membership card to take part in it or something like that.

That would require voluntary taxes. Ain't gunna happen!