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Old 12-20-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Trump doubled down on the spray tan this morning, that's how you know it's a big day.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Trump doubled down on the spray tan this morning, that's how you know it's a big day.
No wonder nobody listens to the liberals and other Trump-haters any more. Normal Americans don't care how much makeup the White House staff puts on him before television appearances. Only desperate liberals and those who blindly hate him but can't cite real reasons why, resort to whining about his appearance.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:06 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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As I understand it, this bill was ALMOST identical to the one passed a few days ago by the House. They found a few passages in the House bill, that conflicted slightly with past Federal law (but wouldn't this bill simply supersede them?), so they made a few "minor changes" to the one in the Senate, voted on it, and passed it.

Now it has to go back to the House for another vote, due to those "minor changes". None of the House or Senate leaders seem to be worried about those changes, they feel the House will vote for the slightly modified version, thus producing the result of both houses voting for identical versions of the bill. If they do, then the bill is ready to be signed into law by President Trump. He has indicated that he will do so.
The House of Representatives has just finished with this final vote, passing the bill with its "minor changes" 224-201. Now the House and Senate have both passed identical versions of the bill. The only thing left is for it to go to President Trump's desk for his signature, and it's a done deal.

Congratulations, President Trump. Sometimes you talk too much. But you delivered.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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I think I can safely give up on hearing any conservatives defend Quick Enough's claim about the debt decreasing under W. Even Quick Enough seems to have abandoned that faux pas.

But I am still waiting for some Trump supporters to offer some references to professional economists who are predicting that the deficit will decrease because of this tax bill. I'm sure there have to be some such economists. I just want to see people give some references.
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No wonder nobody listens to the liberals and other Trump-haters any more. Normal Americans don't care how much makeup the White House staff puts on him before television appearances. Only desperate liberals and those who blindly hate him but can't cite real reasons why, resort to whining about his appearance.
This is a very good point. Liberals foolishly shoot themselves in the foot when they sidetrack substantive discussions with trivial mockery. This is especially true in these threads. There is a serious challenge on the table: Show us some economists who expect this tax bill to lower the national debt. Name some names and give references to your sources.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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No wonder nobody listens to the liberals and other Trump-haters any more. Normal Americans don't care how much makeup the White House staff puts on him before television appearances. Only desperate liberals and those who blindly hate him but can't cite real reasons why, resort to whining about his appearance.
I'm a trump voter and was cracking a joke. I couldn't care less about it either, we can laugh about it now since trump and republicans are starting to deliver
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: NYC
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This is good. Why you ask? Because it shows, without an ounce of doubt, that the GOP Senate is wildly corrupt. There isn't a single republican anyone should trust, not one. And especially, not when they were more than willing to welcome a child molestor into their ranks. What does that tell you about them, if nothing else has?
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:35 PM
 
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You mean "Democrats' stock ans trade," right?
In bizzaro talk radio land maybe.

Not to anyone with a shred of objectivity.

If you want to use negative terms and be accurate and not just regurgitate Rush Limbaugh talking points, "identity politics" would probably be the best one to use against the Democrats.

Did you see the post I actually quoted before you "I know you are but what am I'd"?

Apparently not.
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:51 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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He tries to dupe people into thinking places like that actually have lower taxes for people making $300 000 per year by claiming America has a progressive system.
That's not what I said. The exact opposite is true. The low-income and middle class's tax rates are MUCH more in line with what the $300,000 earner pays due to both FLATTER income tax brackets AND the 25% national VAT tax. That essentially makes the European tax systems regressive as they impact low-income earners and the middle class to a much greater degree than the higher income earners (the very definition of a regressive tax, the VAT tax being one of them).

I'm guessing you cannot comprehend the researched info. Sad, but that's your reality.

Here it is again, for those who wish to learn and understand (be sure to read and understand the scatter plot chart):

How other developed countries tax and spend
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Old 12-20-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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This is a very good point. Liberals foolishly shoot themselves in the foot when they sidetrack substantive discussions with trivial mockery. This is especially true in these threads. There is a serious challenge on the table: Show us some economists who expect this tax bill to lower the national debt. Name some names and give references to your sources.
Being my name was used I'll say AGAI, I domn't care what some "expert says, ( anybody can find an "expert" to to say what they want)

I will refer you back to my post from the business Wire.

" Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.


* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”"



Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.

The U.S. Economy Benefits From A Solid Foundation

* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”


The deficit and the debt was going DOWN until 2008 when the House went to the dems.


  • 2015 - $439 billion budget deficit
  • 2014 - $514 billion budget deficit
  • 2013 - $719 billion budget deficit
  • 2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit
  • 2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
  • 2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
  • 2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit
  • 2008 - $455 billion budget deficit
  • 2007 - $162 billion budget deficit
  • 2006 - $248.2 billion budget deficit
  • 2005 - $319 billion budget deficit
  • 2004 - $412.7 billion budget deficit
  • 2003 - $377.6 billion budget deficit
  • 2002 - $157.8 billion budget deficit
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of...08cd8-0-ab_gsb

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Old 12-20-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Are you tired of Winning, yet?
Doing things other Presidents only promised and failed to deliver.

This guy is filling campaign promise after campaign promise. No wonder the Democrats are flipping chit.
They think everyone is bailing on the guy, that supported him, as they watch him fulfill his promises he made.
The Democrats are going to get desperate now. This is the dangerous moment.
What campaign promise? Draining the swamp? Oh yeah, Mueller is fulfilling that one. He's leading Trump's men out in handcuffs, one by one
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