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Old 12-20-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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"Starve the beast," of course, won't include cuts to SS and Medicare since those will be programs beneficial to Baby Boomers at that point.
Correct. It will be the younger generations still working that get the shaft: look for big cuts to Medicaid, financial aid for higher education, disability, etc. Got to stick it to the young “snowflakes” and “SJWs.”
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Every one gets a tax cut...except those that don't.

Personally, my tax cut will amount to a $0.75 per hour raise. Whoop de doo!


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That's a 30 dollar a week raise for you. If you don't want it, send it back.
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Hardly any job goes for $10/hr in India. Perhaps CEO of a company with hundreds of employees. People still can make $10/hr here for what is paid a few cents an hour in other countries. Its not as simple as you make it out to be. McDonalds pay workers in some European countries $22 an hour and benefits not even the top 10% in America gets while they pay a few cents an hour in other countries.
Actually, a handful of Asian CEOs make billions, just like their Western counterparts; this is what's known as a "hydraulic society", and the main reason it didn't take root here, until recently, is the rebelliousness and questioning of power and authority which is central to the North American character. But the left-leaning elite see themselves as the new power-brokers in the stagnant European-based structure they venerate; this accounts for the rise of Trump who, like everybody else, is merely pitching his own strain of snake oil. And meanwhile, the New Puritans and their feminist allies are seeking to turn all our sons into well-behaved, properly-medicated children.

If you want more than peon-pay, get a serious education so that you'll have some serious skills to trade. But be aware that you'll still have to function in a competitive, sometimes-predatory environment. And recognize as well that those "enlightened" Europeans don't offer the same level of benefit to the Third World immigrants who do most of their dirty jobs, and that the Good Old Days of the Fifties and Sixties about which your Grand-dad likes to reminisce were possible only because the rest of the world was reduced to rubble. And finally, that when push comes to shove and there are old scores to settle, Europe has a very vicious and ugly set of traditions.

And I'm still waiting for a direct (and substantial) reply to Post #71.

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Old 12-20-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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That's a 30 dollar a week raise for you. If you don't want it, send it back.
Certainly!

As soon as you also pony up your "weekly raise" to help keep down the deficit.

In the meantime, I just might be $30 a week more charitable...
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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The Republicans (whom the Democrat rabble-rousers always want to stereotype as aristocrats in top hats and spats) have little to do with this; the laws of supply and demand rule here. The Democrats like their followers to believe they can wall these forces out, but only up to a point.

You can't expect to get $25/hr for work that goes for $10/hr in India or Mexico (if you show a reasonable amount of discipline, you might be able to get $15/hr, but that's about all, and the pressure won't ease up until your global competitors are also earning more. Same goes for the "safety net"; ours won't be cut, but it can't expand much further until the rest of the world catches up. Stop deluding yourself and retrain for work in health care, or some other line of work that can't be offshored -- or encourage your sons and daughters to do so, because the Workers' Paradise exists only in the delusions of your simple minds.
Blah Blah Blah, this is not about walling off market forces. It's about a corrupt repub party taking money from the least of these and heaping it on the plates of the well to do who don't even need it and in most cases don't even want it. Ask Warren Buffett, Michael Bloomberg or any other Billionaire with a brain and morals, what they think about this unconscionable tax bill, and you'll find out all you need to know, about this piece of crap bill and the fat man who is supporting and LYING about it!
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Blah Blah Blah, this is not about walling off market forces. It's about a corrupt repub party taking money from the least of these and heaping it on the plates of the well to do who don't even need it and in most cases don't even want it. Ask Warren Buffett, Michael Bloomberg or any other Billionaire with a brain and morals, what they think about this unconscionable tax bill, and you'll find out all you need to know, about this piece of crap bill and the fat man who is supporting and LYING about it!
For the most part, that money isn't "heaped on the plates of the well-to-do" it goes into the security holdings of the non-profit sector; probably the fastest-growing segment of a post-industrial economy, It provides pension checks and operating funds for colleges, hospitals -- even cemeteries. But it's run by people who are answerable to the private sector, under the discipline of profit and loss -- as opposed to an army of bureaucrats who need a bigger "problem" to justify a bigger staff and a bigger budget, at taxpayer expense.

And there aren't likely to be major cuts to the substance of Medicare itself -- or even Medicaid; only a crackdown on fraud and a revised set of rules to reduce the overuse of our emergency rooms and the like by a population with too little "skin in the game".

I don't think much of Trump -- voted for Johnson -- but he was elected by people who are sick and tied of bearing the dead weight of drunks, druggies. dropouts, dysfunctionals. dead weight and Democrats, and I'll stand with Trump next time around if necessary.

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Old 12-20-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I am all for tax cuts. Not lets start cutting spending.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump keeps raising gas prices so any gain from lower taxes will be wiped out.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Medicare is already being cut as a result:

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/...cuts-jobs-act/
This spending cut is for the Little Guy though.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I am all for tax cuts. Not lets start cutting spending.
Tax cuts are very rare phenomenon in the world. With Obama care mandate is also gone, there will be decent increase in each pay check for people with standard deduction. Not sure it helps me much as I am with itemized. But lot of Americans are with standard deduction. I am thinking, all of them will get benefit.
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