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Supposedly they want to encourage people to have more kids. Supposedly there might be a shortage of young people to work and pay taxes. That's why they're paying people to have kids.
I'm more or less a liberal, but not far leftist, and I agree 100% on the needed welfare cuts. However, I don't think much has ever been done about it. I don't think the recipients get more money for every kid they have anymore though--I think Bill Clinton put a stop to that.
But somebody needs to think up a plan that will make it easier to get off welfare and into the workplace. The recipients need to be eased off welfare gradually. If not, it's like jumping off a cliff for them. There needs to be plenty of free daycare for their kids and the right to keep some of the welfare money as they are eased into the workplace. If they are suddenly forced off, there will be too much temptation to sell drugs or engage in other illicit practices rather than entering the workforce at some low paying job, struggling, and probably failing.
We need to stop supporting illegals and the Democrats need to climb on board with that.
I'm with you (and the Democrats) on everything else like not hurting Medicare and Social Security--how cruel can they get! I am for affordable health insurance and I think most people are. People grew to like the ACA, even the ones who were against it at first. After having health insurance, you can't really go backwards by taking it away and being one of the few first world countries that doesn't have national health insurance.
I will keep voting Democrat because they come closest to what I believe in. But they need better oversight of the safety net benefits. Those who are deserving shouldn't be punished because of the scammers. It's difficult--and there will always be some scammers who fly under radar--but it seems as though there could be a more equitable system.
No Bernie Sanders for me! You can't give away a college education--that's unfair because it's a lot of money given to those who qualify for college and ZERO for people who are not going to college. Give the money that equals the cost of four years of college to all the people of college age who do not go to college and it might be more fair. But where is the money going to come from? We would be giving a load of free money to every 18 year old kid in the USA. So, scholarships for those who qualify=yes, free college-no.
I want a middle of the road Democrat. Not a Bernie Sanders and not an Elizabeth Warren. I think they are both well meaning, good people but they both go too far with the free giveaways. We're already giving away too much to people on welfare. We will always need to give money to the DESERVING poor and the elderly though--that's only fair.
Yes but what is the down side to WORKING PEOPLE keeping more of the money working people make ? All I can think of is getting a back injury from carrying a heavier wallet.
Tax cuts for the middle class will last ten years. Tax cuts for corporations and millionaires have no expiration date. The middle class may like this. Until it ends. Then they will realize. We should wait and see how it all plays out.
before you decide to stop voting republican, before you judge this tax bill as a failure, before you complain the rich are going to pocket the money instead, and all the other crap that democrats are saying about this bill, remember that the democrats said the SAME thing at the time reagan got taxes cut, and things didnt happen like the democrats claimed then.
i do agree that the government is spending far too much money though, and that spending does need to be cut. i would love it if trump and congress would go through the various government programs and determine what programs should end, what programs should be funded better, etc.
note that corporations are already starting to invest in their companies, AT&T is going to give more than 200,000 employees $1000 bonus because of this tax bill, and trump hasnt even signed it yet. they are also going to invest more than a billion dollars in the company as well. the trillions being held overseas by american corporations will be coming back here to be invested in these companies creating jobs in this country.
as for the debt, and the deficit, when you expand the tax base you increase revenues to the government, and that will reduce the deficits in the long run.
Kind of like Obamacare was forced down the people's throats while locking Republicans out of the debate? You recall correctly right? The bill where Nancy Pelosi (D) said "We had to pass the bill to see what was in it?"
And what is wrong with a tax break for the people who earn it? Having kids is a good thing. It is done to keep the species alive. We are an aging society and we need more children. And bringing in droves of people who can't speak the language via illegal immigration isn't the way to do it.
As for without one Democrat's feedback. LOL. They had all kinds of feedback from the party of NO (the democrats). They chose not to participate and did nothing but whine and stomp and act like little children.
And as for being a lifelong Republican, I seriously doubt the validity of that statement.
Every single one of your statements is nothing but falsehoods.
Well I know my life very well. I sure as hell always voted Republican rigbt up until this very last election when I very enthusiastically voted for Trump. I wanted a Muslim ban, not this welfare tax plan that runs up our debt even further.
Kind of like Obamacare was forced down the people's throats while locking Republicans out of the debate? You recall correctly right? The bill where Nancy Pelosi (D) said "We had to pass the bill to see what was in it?"
And what is wrong with a tax break for the people who earn it? Having kids is a good thing. It is done to keep the species alive. We are an aging society and we need more children. And bringing in droves of people who can't speak the language via illegal immigration isn't the way to do it.
As for without one Democrat's feedback. LOL. They had all kinds of feedback from the party of NO (the democrats). They chose not to participate and did nothing but whine and stomp and act like little children.
And as for being a lifelong Republican, I seriously doubt the validity of that statement.
Every single one of your statements is nothing but falsehoods.
i agree with you, the democrats were invited many times to give input on the tax bill, they refused. back when obamacare was being put together, the republicans were locked out completely by the democrats, this time the democrats locked themselves out. if this bill does what the republicans claim it will do, this will be a load stone around the necks of the democrats in november, if it fails, then the republican have the load stone around their necks.
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Supposedly they want to encourage people to have more kids. Supposedly there might be a shortage of young people to work and pay taxes. That's why they're paying people to have kids.
I'm more or less a liberal, but not far leftist, and I agree 100% on the needed welfare cuts. However, I don't think much has ever been done about it. I don't think the recipients get more money for every kid they have anymore though--I think Bill Clinton put a stop to that.
But somebody needs to think up a plan that will make it easier to get off welfare and into the workplace. The recipients need to be eased off welfare gradually. If not, it's like jumping off a cliff for them. There needs to be plenty of free daycare for their kids and the right to keep some of the welfare money as they are eased into the workplace. If they are suddenly forced off, there will be too much temptation to sell drugs or engage in other illicit practices rather than entering the workforce at some low paying job, struggling, and probably failing.
We need to stop supporting illegals and the Democrats need to climb on board with that.
I'm with you (and the Democrats) on everything else like not hurting Medicare and Social Security--how cruel can they get! I am for affordable health insurance and I think most people are. People grew to like the ACA, even the ones who were against it at first. After having health insurance, you can't really go backwards by taking it away and being one of the few first world countries that doesn't have national health insurance.
I will keep voting Democrat because they come closest to what I believe in. But they need better oversight of the safety net benefits. Those who are deserving shouldn't be punished because of the scammers. It's difficult--and there will always be some scammers who fly under radar--but it seems as though there could be a more equitable system.
No Bernie Sanders for me! You can't give away a college education--that's unfair because it's a lot of money given to those who qualify for college and ZERO for people who are not going to college. Give the money that equals the cost of four years of college to all the people of college age who do not go to college and it might be more fair. But where is the money going to come from? We would be giving a load of free money to every 18 year old kid in the USA. So, scholarships for those who qualify=yes, free college-no.
I want a middle of the road Democrat. Not a Bernie Sanders and not an Elizabeth Warren. I think they are both well meaning, good people but they both go too far with the free giveaways. We're already giving away too much to people on welfare. We will always need to give money to the DESERVING poor and the elderly though--that's only fair.
according to ryan, the republicans are going to tackle welfare and other entitlement reform in 2018. and you can bet the democrats input will be welcomed if they choose to help out. if they decide however to lock themselves out of the issue again, then they are going to be shown as being the real party of no next year.
regarding health insurance, i also want affordable insurance for the people, but obamacare is not affordable, and it wasnt designed to be affordable. sure you can get a cheap plan with high deductibles, and high copays, but how is that affordable? and yes you can spend more money and get a plan that has a lower deductible and copay, but again how is that affordable? and then we have the platinum plan or whatever its called, where you can pay a lot of money, get even lower deductibles, and copays, but you get the fun of paying a tax on top of that as well, so again how is that affordable?
there are things i like about the obamacare plan, but there are things that are hateful with that plan also.
and i also would like to see more moderate democrats in congress, along with more moderate republicans as well. i think we need to reduce the partisan divide in this country, and get people that will serve the people in office rather than just try to gain power.
Wait and see what corporations do before judging them.
I don't understand how you can complain about the debt, and then hint towards voting for a Sanders Democrat. You think they are going to cut the debt... haha...
They need to focus on spending. The debt will never go down as long as spending continues to increase.
No need to wait, they have already told us what they are going to do.
.......But if we had a tax cut that led to higher profits absent those factors, we would ‘pocket it’ for our investors.”
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But Cohn himself was presented with contradictory evidence Tuesday, when a room full of CEOs were asked if they planned to make capital expenditures if their corporate tax rate was cut.
In a real-world example of what Mendels wrote, only a handful of hands went up.
“Why aren’t the other hands up?” Cohn asked.
Trickle down economics failed before and it will fail this time too.
Only fools do the same thing over again and expect different results......a good saying those who support this new tax law should remember when it explodes in their faces.
Yes but what is the down side to WORKING PEOPLE keeping more of the money working people make ? All I can think of is getting a back injury from carrying a heavier wallet.
How about medicaid and Medicare? The deficits need to be addressed someday. This was too hasty and not to mention the complications they are going to have implementing this plan. There is already people trying to get creative about paying their taxes this year so they will be covered. It’s going to be a fiasco, the money people get from this tax scam isn’t going to be great for lots of people.
Even if I disagree with Democrats on just about everything I appreciate their voices against the tax plan...so much so that I am cheering for them to take over the House and Senate.
Why, so they can jack up our taxes, jack up our cost of living, make our wages stagnant, give sanctuary to illegals, take away our guns so we can't defend ourselves from criminals and allow refugees in that would potentially create terrorist attacks like the ones in San Bernardino and Orlando?
This point seems a bit contradictory... disagree with your opponents but vote to put them in power.
Socialists are much much worse than Nazis. Did you forget all the history?
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