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Old 12-21-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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LOL we've been through this!
It didn't address CARE it addressed insurance. Insurance. Not care. Insurance. ACA didn't raise the standards for operations, didn't raise nurse and doctor wages, didn't increase training or fund some magical cure all device or drug.

My goodness you can't be serious...

Face it. Shake your head yes. You got duped. I got duped. We all were duped. Whether you were for it or against it.
But do you really want a national health care system that Trump claimed he was supportive of before obeying his Goldman Sachs masters?
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: PSL
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But do you really want a national health care system that Trump claimed he was supportive of before obeying his Goldman Sachs masters?
No that wasn't what I wanted.

I wanted ACA repealed completely and a law actually an amendment made that never shall government force a product on its citizens ever again.
Big middle finger to Romney and One big ass mistake america.

That way things could go back to how they were. Voluntary and affordable. Not the epic failure of what was passed in place of what had existed. Spare me the Muh preexisting conditions coverage declined.

Had you read the fine print of your policies that wouldn't have happened.
Most I'd ever do to "health care" is cut hospital admins making bank, cap their salaries if they truly are "not for profit" to reinvest in the hospital via wages and state of the art tools/equipment/proceedures. And to pass a consumers protection clause against insurance companies that they can't deny for any reason paying for the treatment of who they cover. That's it. Leave the market to compete for customers. Not this spread the debt happy horse crap that came from Obama and Romney
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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But do you really want a national health care system that Trump claimed he was supportive of before obeying his Goldman Sachs masters?
This isn't about Trump.
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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This isn't about insurance. It's about drug overdoses increasing in the US. But drug overdoes is not the leading cause of death either.

And why did the OP attribute this to Trump in his thread title ?
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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No that wasn't what I wanted.

I wanted ACA repealed completely and a law actually an amendment made that never shall government force a product on its citizens ever again.
Big middle finger to Romney and One big ass mistake america.

That way things could go back to how they were. Voluntary and affordable. Not the epic failure of what was passed in place of what had existed. Spare me the Muh preexisting conditions coverage declined.
For millions of people it was not affordable. Sure we spare you the pre existing condition argument because I guess it didn't affect you but it's sad that for so many everything is about them.

Is that how a Christian nation should behave?

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Had you read the fine print of your policies that wouldn't have happened.
If you can't get a policy, you can't read the fine print.

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Most I'd ever do to "health care" is cut hospital admins making bank, cap their salaries if they truly are "not for profit" to reinvest in the hospital via wages and state of the art tools/equipment/proceedures. And to pass a consumers protection clause against insurance companies that they can't deny for any reason paying for the treatment of who they cover. That's it. Leave the market to compete for customers. Not this spread the debt happy horse crap that came from Obama and Romney
Those sound pretty socialists in nature to me.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Because that is what happened... there used to be smaller networks which were very affordable pre ACA. I was a part of one. Employer picked up half the tab. 35 per week. Low co-pays 10 bucks to see a PCP. Any PCP. No "in network" horse crap.
You truly were concerned about care? Where we're you blasting obama on my behalf when the new ACA policy I had to take deemed my PCP out of network and required me to drive an hour to Albany or Poughkeepsie to see one who was in the network?
"You will save 2500 per year and if you like your doctor you can keep them too!"
My ass.
Emergency room copay 90 bucks. Ambulance ride covered too.
Prescription meds. Antibiotics free. Everything else. 20-50 whether generic or name brand.

Where were you grandstanding on others behalf taking this bronze silver gold plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield because all the others refused to do any form of affordable coverage? When COBRA is cheaper than what used to cover you... something wrong with this picture...
Yup. Empire blue became the only "affordable" option via "market place" or through work when I lived in NY.

It never was about care. Just shake your head yes in agreement. Everyone was duped. Unless they were already a welfare recipient or on SSDI...
Hospitals in NY could not refuse treatment.

Like I said. You have care confused with insurance. If it was about care, the mandate wouldn't be on "working stiffs" it would have been on the hospitals to cap administration wages to use the "not for profit proceeds" to be reinvested in wages whether hiring on more or paying out more to those currently employed, investing in the latest and greatest proceedures, research, and equipment to speed up production and lower costs abroad. But that didn't happen now did it?

Just shake your head yes... you were duped. You have care confused with insurance.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: London
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
No that wasn't what I wanted.

I wanted ACA repealed completely and a law actually an amendment made that never shall government force a product on its citizens ever again.
Big middle finger to Romney and One big ass mistake america.

That way things could go back to how they were. Voluntary and affordable. Not the epic failure of what was passed in place of what had existed. Spare me the Muh preexisting conditions coverage declined.

Had you read the fine print of your policies that wouldn't have happened.
Most I'd ever do to "health care" is cut hospital admins making bank, cap their salaries if they truly are "not for profit" to reinvest in the hospital via wages and state of the art tools/equipment/proceedures. And to pass a consumers protection clause against insurance companies that they can't deny for any reason paying for the treatment of who they cover. That's it. Leave the market to compete for customers. Not this spread the debt happy horse crap that came from Obama and Romney
Asking insurance companies to actually provide the services they were paid to do? That's crazy talk!
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Those sound pretty socialists in nature to me.
How is reinvesting into the corporation socialist/socialism?

That would be like me not getting equipment to speed up my production, make my workers do it by hand. Pay them peanuts and continue the beatings until morale improved...

It's one thing to be "not for profit" and be legitimate. It's another to claim "not for profit" and vote to use profit proceeds to give the board members raises LOL see no profit. I can do the same thing too if I wanted.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Asking insurance companies to actually provide the services they were paid to do? That's crazy talk!
Especially when the justice system has been packed with corporate judges, as a reward for the donations. Its madness that people think big money in politics and inequality isnt an issue and then think that we can just pass any law that will be upheld for the protection of the people.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What's this have to do with trump?
As long as his 'faithful' continue to credit him with anything good that happens under his watch, whether he's responsible or not, it's only fitting he get blamed for anything bad as well.
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