Why punish millionaires ? (ethic, money, federal government, federal)
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This is sure to get the rightist bees buzzing but...
How is it ethical to have far more money/resources than you (and in the case of the 1%) your entire family and their families can spend in their lifetimes while others in your country starve ?
Do you not see the role of government is to "...promote the general welfare"
Have you been to countries with two classes of people ? Rich and poor ? Is that something anyone wants for the USA ?
We don't need to rich to pay more and more and more (i.e. 50% +). We just need a system were everyone pays a proportionate amounts of their income and the govt covers basic SS and medical - like what we already have but is currently being run in the red. It's a matter of priorities.
Last edited by Vacanegro; 12-27-2017 at 11:05 AM..
How is it ethical to have far more money/resources than you (and in the case of the 1%) your entire family and their families can spend in their lifetimes while others in your country starve ?
They tend to believe in the just-world fallacy.
i.e. If you're rich or poor, you probably did something to deserve it, and it is thus unethical to interrupt in the natural justness of things.
This is sure to get the rightist bees buzzing but...
How is it ethical to have far more money/resources than you (and in the case of the 1%) your entire family and their families can spend in their lifetimes while others in your country starve ?
Do you not see the role of government is to "...promote the general welfare"
Per the Constitution, the role of the government is to provide for national defense, and promote the general welfare of the United States (NOT that of individuals).
Additionally, "promote" is NOT "provide." They're two completely different words.
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We don't need to rich to pay more and more and more (i.e. 50% +). We just need a system were everyone pays a proportionate amounts of their income and the govt covers basic SS and medical - like what we already have but is currently being run in the red. It's a matter of priorities.
We don't have such a system. If we did, our taxpayer base would be sufficiently wide enough for the Fed Gov to collect enough tax revenue to fund what you want.
What we actually need is a regressive tax system, like European/Scandinavian countries have. I've already posted the research info on how they tax and spend:
It's a sort of convenient default explanation for anyone who doesn't want to think too much.
its traditionally a very protestant outlook ( how wealthy one is is equal to how good they are as a person ) , the usa is still a protestant country for the most part
The 1% has been at war with us since the WW 2 generation began retiring. Billionaires, corporations and their minions are busy reversing the New Deal. They have already been successful in antiquating the Fair Labor Standards Act by allowing the overtime eligibility level to remain at $23,660 and fighting raises in the minimum wage tooth and nail. The right wing media sponsored by billionaire America would love to terminate the 6.2% premium that they pay into Social Security. They are active in convincing those who aren't close to retirement that SS is a ponzi scheme. Right wing Republicans want to make Medicare a voucher system. Pensions are on their way out. It's only a matter of time that your 401K won't be matched. Private sector unions are all but gone. The 19% are along for the ride.
So that this is in it's proper perspective, CUNY means City University New York. Even a very liberal estimate of their numbers puts them at no more than a 5000, hardly 19% of the US population.
The NYT story quoted by the Post was about the "next 19%". They received proportionately more of income gains since 1979 than the 1%. The opinion piece was written by a CUNY prof and offered his colleagues as examples of the Sandernistas: people who want to eat their cake and have it, too. Hypocrites who engage in the same practices they criticize.
I think you'll find the 1% have far more diverse opinions than your reply indicates. These are people who are not followers, blind or otherwise. They do not go in march step. They are no more motivated by self-interest than the bottom 99%, even if they are better in practicing it. They as just as likely to be "concerned citizens" and publicly spirited as the bottom 99%.
Pensions are the preserve of the public sector. No private employer can assume an open ended pension obligation. That is why GM went bankrupt. And even the public sector will have a day of reckoning with its pension promises. Illinois, NJ, CA, have no hope of ever collecting enough taxes or realizing high enough investment returns to pay their promises.
President Trump said he will not touch SS and Medicare. Whatever plans some might Republican might have will never get over that wall.
How is it ethical to have far more money/resources than you (and in the case of the 1%) your entire family and their families can spend in their lifetimes while others in your country starve ?
why is it unethical?
so you have more resources, and what? it isn't like people are depriving you of money that you "could" have earned if they didn't... what someone else earns has no relation to how much you earn yourself
money isn't some "limited" resource like land, where if someone owns X amount, it removes that much from the supply
It's a sort of convenient default explanation for anyone who doesn't want to think too much.
I have no problem with someone creating something and doing very well with that creation. The problem is when you lose your wealth and expect others to give up theirs to replenish yours.
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