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Old 01-02-2018, 06:39 PM
 
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He was being arrested for selling loose cigarettes. This was the 3rd time in that same year that he was caught doing that at the SAME SPOT.

If you watch the video, Eric was not complying with the officers. Also, let's remember that Eric is 6'3 and 350+lbs. It's not easy to handcuff someone that is resisting arrest so force has to be used.

The paramedics were somewhat sloppy in tending to Eric. They didn't provide oxygen to him and they should have prompt him up in a sitting position.

Also, i live in NYC. How exactly was this guy paying for all the expenses of his family just by selling loose cigs? I am familiar with buying loose cigs in a bodega or newsstand not by a random guy in the street. (Usually, that is for drugs)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/n...en-island.html
Was he selling loose cigarettes at the time of his arrest? No evidence has been shown (that Iíve seen) that he was. Every damn witness corroborated his story that he was simply breaking up a fight when the cops arrived. Not a soul said that he was actively selling loose cigs at the time.

Where were the loose cigarettes if thatís what he was doing?
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You need to read more about the Eric case. There was a sting operation that was being done in the area. Eric was arrested twice in March and May. Also, there were local businesses that were complaining about him and others selling loose cigs.

Even after his death, the black market on loose cigs continued.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/n...en-island.html
So then, what was accomplished by illegally killing him?

Sting operation or not, there is NO EVIDENCE that he was selling loose cigarettes at the time. I havenít even seen a mention that the cops found loose cigarettes on him after his death.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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No. But when they are called and they encounter a person breaking the law,
they are expected to enforce the law, regardless of the wishes of the lawbreaker.
Regardless of the seriousness of the crime or if the "crime" should be
illegal in the first place, people who resist arrest usually do not do well.

You will have to show me where I defended the choke hold.



BTW, you still didn't answer my question.
Should petty criminals be able to simply "Just say no" to being arrested?
Of course you should be able to ďjust say no.Ē Why should you NOT be allowed to say that?

He was resisting arrest because he didnít feel that he was committing a crime, and so far, Iíve seen no evidence that he was at the time.

You defended the chokehold when you said that the cops simply canít let someone go. Basically, youíre saying that even if the chokehold is illegal and lethal, they should use it anyway to subdue a petty ass criminal.

Chokeholds are illegal...period. If you canít subdue a suspect legally, then youíre not allowed to do so ILLEGALLY! If thatís the case, then the cops can just shoot you in the back if youíre unarmed just because they canít subdue you.

And thereís no doubt in my mind that youíd defend that too...provided that the suspect is someone that youíre predisposed to dislike anyway.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:59 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Nonsense. Youíd simply prefer that blacks remain mealy mouthed. You guys think race baiting is equivalent to defending yourself and not complaining about injustice.

In THIS case, Sharpton did the right thing. Period.


Chokeholds are ILLEGAL in the NYPD.

Long arrest history = for nothing more serious than selling loose cigs. Are the cops supposed to kill citizens for that?

He didnít want to be arrested because he wasnít committing a crime, and the cops never proved that he was committing one. Moreover, no witnesses said that he committed one either.

They ainít paid to walk away, but theyíre not paid to kill you illegally either. If thereís a choice, walk the eff away!
Let me twist this for a 2nd.

The cops were wrong and should be held accountable.

In regard to Sharpton he should be in prison and as far as blacks remaining mealy mouth, they've been thinking that people like Sharpton have been helping them for years. In reality Sharpton helps himself as a master race baiter.

When you're being arrested, don't fight it. Let your attorney work for you; otherwise you will get hurt or killed as Eric was a prime example.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Of course you should be able to ďjust say no.Ē Why should you NOT be allowed to say that?

He was resisting arrest because he didnít feel that he was committing a crime, and so far, Iíve seen no evidence that he was at the time.

You defended the chokehold when you said that the cops simply canít let someone go. Basically, youíre saying that even if the chokehold is illegal and lethal, they should use it anyway to subdue a petty ass criminal.

Chokeholds are illegal...period. If you canít subdue a suspect legally, then youíre not allowed to do so ILLEGALLY! If thatís the case, then the cops can just shoot you in the back if youíre unarmed just because they canít subdue you.

And thereís no doubt in my mind that youíd defend that too...provided that the suspect is someone that youíre predisposed to dislike anyway.

Put words in my mouth and finish with the race card.
Nice try.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Let me twist this for a 2nd.

The cops were wrong and should be held accountable.

In regard to Sharpton he should be in prison and as far as blacks remaining mealy mouth, they've been thinking that people like Sharpton have been helping them for years. In reality Sharpton helps himself as a master race baiter.

When you're being arrested, don't fight it. Let your attorney work for you; otherwise you will get hurt or killed as Eric was a prime example.
Garner did not get killed because he resisted arrest. He just happened to croak while he was resisting arrest because he was not healthy. People continue to bring up that he wasn't selling loosies and merely broke up a fight. It's been well established by the widow Snipes that Garner wasn't feeling well that day. Between him not feeling well, the hot July day, his exerting himself to break up the fight and then working himself up over not wanting to get arrested all within minutes of each other the stage was set for him to expire.This was a fat lazy man. All the excitement was too much for him to bare. He should have minded his own business and gone to see a doctor. But the pull of the ghetto and standing on a corner is strong.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:19 AM
 
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Was he selling loose cigarettes at the time of his arrest? No evidence has been shown (that Iíve seen) that he was. Every damn witness corroborated his story that he was simply breaking up a fight when the cops arrived. Not a soul said that he was actively selling loose cigs at the time.

Where were the loose cigarettes if thatís what he was doing?

So then, what was accomplished by illegally killing him?

Sting operation or not, there is NO EVIDENCE that he was selling loose cigarettes at the time. I havenít even seen a mention that the cops found loose cigarettes on him after his death.
The police had probable cause to believe that he was selling loose cigs. The fight, his prior records (his 2 arrest at the same vicinity in the same year), etc. The article is very insightful.

Article: "The spot where officers approached Mr. Garner on July 17 had already that year been the site of at least 98 arrests, 100 criminal court summonses, 646 calls to 911 and nine complaints to 311."

The landlord of the building where Eric was arrested stated: "He said in a recent interview that he complained only after physically fighting with the men on the block who sold drugs. The cigarette sellers, he said, provided cover for more illicit activities."

The police didn't intend on killing him. You need to stop insinuating that! He died to health complications and poor medical help from the EMT staff.
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Old 01-03-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Garner did not get killed because he resisted arrest. He just happened to croak while he was resisting arrest because he was not healthy. People continue to bring up that he wasn't selling loosies and merely broke up a fight. It's been well established by the widow Snipes that Garner wasn't feeling well that day. Between him not feeling well, the hot July day, his exerting himself to break up the fight and then working himself up over not wanting to get arrested all within minutes of each other the stage was set for him to expire.This was a fat lazy man. All the excitement was too much for him to bare. He should have minded his own business and gone to see a doctor. But the pull of the ghetto and standing on a corner is strong.
This. An unhealthy guy died while resisting his 37th arrest. The Eric Gardner case can only be sympathetic to the most oblivious left-wing fringes.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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Garner did not get killed because he resisted arrest. He just happened to croak while he was resisting arrest because he was not healthy. People continue to bring up that he wasn't selling loosies and merely broke up a fight. It's been well established by the widow Snipes that Garner wasn't feeling well that day. Between him not feeling well, the hot July day, his exerting himself to break up the fight and then working himself up over not wanting to get arrested all within minutes of each other the stage was set for him to expire.This was a fat lazy man. All the excitement was too much for him to bare. He should have minded his own business and gone to see a doctor. But the pull of the ghetto and standing on a corner is strong.
"he just happened to die while in a chokehold"
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Old 01-03-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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Let me twist this for a 2nd.

The cops were wrong and should be held accountable.

In regard to Sharpton he should be in prison and as far as blacks remaining mealy mouth, they've been thinking that people like Sharpton have been helping them for years. In reality Sharpton helps himself as a master race baiter.

When you're being arrested, don't fight it. Let your attorney work for you; otherwise you will get hurt or killed as Eric was a prime example.
Thatís right...let the authorities bully you. The Camaro way, right? Because the cops are always right.

Sharpton did a great job in this case, and I support him. Moreover, donít worry about who we think is helping us. If you dislike Sharpton, then he probably did something right.
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The police had probable cause to believe that he was selling loose cigs. The fight, his prior records (his 2 arrest at the same vicinity in the same year), etc. The article is very insightful.

Article: "The spot where officers approached Mr. Garner on July 17 had already that year been the site of at least 98 arrests, 100 criminal court summonses, 646 calls to 911 and nine complaints to 311."

The landlord of the building where Eric was arrested stated: "He said in a recent interview that he complained only after physically fighting with the men on the block who sold drugs. The cigarette sellers, he said, provided cover for more illicit activities."

The police didn't intend on killing him. You need to stop insinuating that! He died to health complications and poor medical help from the EMT staff.
But they did kill him. The cops donít have the option to only arrest healthy victims.

They used an ILLEGAL chokehold! Doesnít matter what heíd ever done before that day. On the day he was killed, they used an illegal chokehold on a man that they suspected of selling loose cigs ....when he apparently WASNíT selling them. Thatís a problem.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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"he just happened to die while in a chokehold"
That's just it, HE DIDN'T! GARNER WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. He is taken down by a much smaller man and died on the ground saying he can't breathe. Why did this happen? Because he was a FAT PIECE OF ****.

Have you ever been choked? If it's done right you don't say a Goddamn word. All you make is some squeaking noises. Your eyes will pop out of your head, the veins in the neck will break, you will turn bright red or, in Garners case Barney purple. NONE of that happened.

Pantaleo didn't get behind him and wrap his arms around Garner's neck and back of head and apply pressure that would cause death. Pantaleo did not continue to choke Garner until his body was lifeless in his arms.

You people that insist on claiming that Garner was murdered by being choked to death are dummies. You sound stupid and you are all ignorant.

The fact that we have NEVER seen the full ME report and the fact that Pantello was never indicted, and the fact that the justice department led by Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch and now Jeff Sessions have not moved forward with the case just proves that this entire situation was politically motivated by deBlasio and Sharpton to divide the city, the nation and move forward some piece of crap progressive agenda that does nothing but line the pocket of the liberal elite. What does the community like to say? Get "woke"? Another stupid ignorant phrase. How about wake the **** up dummies.
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