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Old 12-30-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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So basically the left is admitting that launching an investigation based on a fake politically motivated dossier is evidence that the DOJ was weaponized against Trump? I'm glad we finally have you on record admitting that, so when this story ends up being exposed as fake news we can laugh as we watch you attempt to walk it back.
The main post was about the evidence coming out that steele dossier was NOT used to start the investigation.

Should we send trump supporters back to school for some reading classes? Where did you get your degree man, trump university?

The dossier is not fake by the way, your trump associates corroborated a lot out of it already:

Carter Page congressional testimony corroborates Steele dossier parts - Business Insider

A lot of the Steele dossier has since been corroborated.

But that doesnt even matter to the lame argument from trump shills trying to somehow say that having dossier as a basis for investigation is discrediting it.

Australian intelligence shared with the US was used to start the FBI investigation. Got it now?


The question is: are trump defenders truly ignorant, or just wilfully ignorant? And what's worse?
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:25 PM
 
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Trumpists can spin this all they want but Trump's collusions with Russians may be understanding their relationship. It increasingly sounds as if Russians were actually running the Trump campaign.

Too bad too many conservatives are so power hungry they are so willing selling out our democracy to keep it.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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So the entire Fox News/Trump efforts to obstruct the investigation by spreading lies about Steele dossier are one big fail.

The FBI investigation started in the summer of 2016 never had the Steele dossier in the first place. Not to mention that Steele dossier has been actually corroborated in many aspects:
Carter Page congressional testimony corroborates Steele dossier parts - Business Insider

Then the main bombshell today indicates that their favorite talking point goes away haha. And from NYT, which we know is Trump's favorite, since he craves their attention all the time for interviews and press.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/u...adopoulos.html

I challenge every trump supporter claiming trump-russia is a hoax to read from A to Z.

Australian intelligence - thank you! (Australians are one of few nations that go to wars alongside America 100% of time).

Here come trump supporters claiming that George was just a coffee boy. Coffee boy who helped arrange meetings between Trump and Egyptian President (yes, President), British officials, Israeli settlers and many others:
Papadopoulos represented Trump campaign at international meetings - CNNPolitics
First of all, we don't know that any of this is even true, but even if it is true, there is no evidence that any crimes were commited, so why start a criminal investigation?

Is this investigation the insurance policy the FBI talked about?

None of this answers the questions of why the FBI, and DOJ are refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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Lol. Because the New York Times is so very credible. The same New York Times that said that Trump's wires were tapped in the first place?

The Russia investigation is a hoax. To date, no one has even suggested what "collusion" even means. Last I heard, they were looking into some Russians buying facebok ads in Wisconsin. No connection to the Kremlin on one side or to Trump at all, but that was what the left was getting excited about.

All right, so lets pretend that all of this is true (and there is no corroborating evidence that it is). Russians hacked the DNC and wikileaks published the e-mails.

WHAT HAS TRUMP TO DO WITH IT?

And regardless of that answer, for those of us with brains, the disturbing part is still the information contained in the e-mails showing the Democrat party functioning as a criminal organizaion.

Just give up. It has been over a year. It is time to put the cards on the table. Indicting Manafort for what he did fifiteen years ago or Flynn for a minor charge of mispeaking about what happened after the election is not going to get you there. Put up or shut up.
What a pathetic rant. The NYTs is dong its job and if all you have is desperate swipe at their reputation then you have nothing.

The Russian hoax argument is only made by those in severe denial or who so partisan they have no desire to hear the truth.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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Wow, just wow, let me break it down for ya fella:

1. Manafort crimes were up to 2016, so there's that. If you had any idea about FSB/KGB asset cultivation methods, you would know that they cultivate traitors for decades, not 1-2 years before election. Hence they bought up trump's properties in Florida to help him in 2008 when everything was crushing, were playing him with trump tower moscow permits in 2013-2014, and laundered money through Deutsche Bank to finance Trump when American banks did not want to touch him.
Yes, up to 2016. They started 15 years ago, long before any association with Trump. No connection with Trump has been alleged at this time, and none has been proven. These business dealing with the Russians have nothing to do with Manafort. You are conflating two separate things, which is why a lot of you libs are so easily duped and keep getting orgasmic over fake bombsehll after fake bombshell. The charges again Manafort are personal to him and include:

conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, being an unregistered agent of foreign principal, false and misleading statements under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and false statements.

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Plus, you have no freaking idea what Mueller has on Manafort connecting to Trump, so maybe just wait for an investigation to conclude huh?
I know that no one has even suggested what "collusion" might mean. As of now, Mueller has produced nothing at all.

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2. There are multiple aspects to it, and your favorite" collusion is not a crime" defense is pure BS,

You are arguing against things that are only in your own head. I said that no one has even suggested what collusion might look like.

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because no one is saying Mueller is going to take Trump down for that particular crime,
Then he shouldn't be investigationg. If there is no crime and no one is saying as much, then what he is doing is treason.

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but rather: conspiracy against the US
Trump will not be found guilty of conspiracy. That is a VERY high bar, and you know in your heart this is a fantasy.

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(any efforts to help Russians with directing stolen data at voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, or timing of DNC materials release during the campaign),

No one has claimed that he did this, no one has produced any evidence that he did this, and it would not be illegal if he did.


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obstruction of justice,

This is what they might try to get him on, but it will not work. For one thing, it is again a very high bar, and without any inital crime to cite, it will not play. Trump has a legal right to fire Comey. Nor did it halt the investigation in any way. No collusion is going to equal no obstruction.

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and financial crimes.
They may try to get him Al Aopone style, but this has nothing to do with faux collusion.


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Do you really believe that Trump Jr never told his dad about Russian efforts to discredit HRC or stolen emails?
It wouldn't matter if he did. Information is not an asset. The only people blamable in this situation are the Democrats who ran their party as a criminal organization, and who did not protect their information.

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Do you really think in a close family, closely run enterprise for decades, he would have hidden the meeting with Russian Kremlin operatives? Do you really think that Papadapoulos, Carter Page, arranging for trips and discussions with Moscow to help elect Trump were made without ANY knowledge of Trump?
It is completely normal for candidates and their people to meet with foreign governments. Again, what are you accusing Trump of having done? All right, Russians hacked DNC e-mails and turned them over to wikileaks. What has Trump to do with it? And what was the crime?

Let me fill you in: there wasn't one and none will be found.


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You are kidding yourself and you know it.

Physician, heal thyself.


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3. "It has been a year"

This particularly shows how shallow your understanding is.
Physician, heal thyself

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This type of investigation goes usually for 18-24 months at minimum. Shoot, the grand jury itself operates for at least a year!

And here you have grand jury only since October !
When they are on a fishing expedition. What you don't seem to get is that ususally in these sorts of investigations, THERE IS A CRIME THAT HAS BEEN NAMED.

Knowledge that Russians hacked the DNC is not a crime. Meeting with a foreign governement is not a crime unless a TANGIBLE ASSET has been exchanged.

So, for the last time, and if you cannot answer, please do the right thing and stand down:

WHAT ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT DONALD TRUMP DID THAT WAS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL IN TERMS OF COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS?
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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This NYT story is so lame I didn't even bother posting it...but I figured the libs would jump all over it. More anonymous sources citing a drunk barstool conversation?
The sources are unnamed but not anonymous. They are "four current and former American and foreign officials with direct knowledge of the Australians’ role".
Papadopoulos revealed the information to Alexander Downer, chief Australian diplomat in London at the time. Downer in turn passed the information up the line to the Australian government.

The Australian Embassy has not confirmed the information because the investigation is ongoing but there is zero basis to dispute or dismiss the account.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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It increasingly sounds as if Russians were actually running the Trump campaign.
And getting Trump to change the GOP platform to be more pro-Russian, and getting Trump to attempt to lift the Russian sanctions, and getting Trump to delay implementation of new/additional Russian sanctions.

After Trump met with Putin in the Oval Office, he suggested a US-Russia partnership on cyber-security. Trump was all set to go forward with this plan.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19U0P4

Trump said on Twitter early on Sunday that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed on Friday forming “an impenetrable Cyber Security unit” to address issues like the risk of cyber meddling in elections.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/09/trum...t-mean-it.html

Last edited by sware2cod; 12-30-2017 at 05:48 PM..
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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I have not had time to flesh all of this of this information out, but my first impressions from OP's links is that an FBI investigation was launched into the Trump campaign due to pursuing/receiving opposition research on the Clinton campaign from Russian sources, aka Russian Collusion, based on revelations form Papadopoulos.

But Hillary Clinton and the democrats support opposition research sourced from Russians.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-opposition-r/

I think Mueller should stick to the Trump-Russia dossier excuse to obtain FISA warrants.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: NY
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Listen dude, all that noise about NYT being fake news, but so far on trump-russia they have been on point what's been proven with indictments and plea deals.
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I said the story was lame...not fake. There's a big difference. It's lame because it's not news, it's agenda-driven journalism. That agenda is to change the subject and try to divert attention from the corrupt FBI agents working for Mueller.

Mueller has a major PR problem. The NYT is trying to help reshape the story...that's what's going on here.

And it's really lame.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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I think Mueller should stick with the truth.

In fact, I think we all should.
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