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Old 12-30-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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So the entire Fox News/Trump efforts to obstruct the investigation by spreading lies about Steele dossier are one big fail.

The FBI investigation started in the summer of 2016 never had the Steele dossier in the first place. Not to mention that Steele dossier has been actually corroborated in many aspects:
Carter Page congressional testimony corroborates Steele dossier parts - Business Insider

Then the main bombshell today indicates that their favorite talking point goes away haha. And from NYT, which we know is Trump's favorite, since he craves their attention all the time for interviews and press.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/u...adopoulos.html

I challenge every trump supporter claiming trump-russia is a hoax to read from A to Z.

Australian intelligence - thank you! (Australians are one of few nations that go to wars alongside America 100% of time).

Here come trump supporters claiming that George was just a coffee boy. Coffee boy who helped arrange meetings between Trump and Egyptian President (yes, President), British officials, Israeli settlers and many others:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politi...boy/index.html
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Lol. Because the New York Times is so very credible. The same New York Times that said that Trump's wires were tapped in the first place?

The Russia investigation is a hoax. To date, no one has even suggested what "collusion" even means. Last I heard, they were looking into some Russians buying facebok ads in Wisconsin. No connection to the Kremlin on one side or to Trump at all, but that was what the left was getting excited about.

All right, so lets pretend that all of this is true (and there is no corroborating evidence that it is). Russians hacked the DNC and wikileaks published the e-mails.

WHAT HAS TRUMP TO DO WITH IT?

And regardless of that answer, for those of us with brains, the disturbing part is still the information contained in the e-mails showing the Democrat party functioning as a criminal organizaion.

Just give up. It has been over a year. It is time to put the cards on the table. Indicting Manafort for what he did fifiteen years ago or Flynn for a minor charge of mispeaking about what happened after the election is not going to get you there. Put up or shut up.

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Old 12-30-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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Lol. Because the New York Times is so very credible. The same New York Times that said that Trump's wires were tapped in the first place?

The Russia investigation is a hoax. To date, no one has even suggested what "collusion" even means. Last I heard, they were looking into some Russians buying facebok ads in Wisconsin. No connection to the Kremlin on one side or to Trump at all, but that was what the left was getting excited about.

All right, so lets pretend that all of this is true (and there is no corroborating evidence that it is). Russians hacked the DNC and wikileaks published the e-mails.

WHAT HAS TRUMP TO DO WITH IT?

And regardless of that answer, for those of us with brains, the disturbing part is still the information contained in the e-mails showing the Democrat party functioning as a criminal organizaion.

Just give up. It has been over a year. It is time to put the cards on the table. Indicting Manafort for what he did fifiteen years ago or Flynn for a minor charge of mispeaking about what happened after the election is not going to get you there. Put up or shut up.
Wow, just wow, let me break it down for ya fella:

1. Manafort crimes were up to 2016, so there's that. If you had any idea about FSB/KGB asset cultivation methods, you would know that they cultivate traitors for decades, not 1-2 years before election. Hence they bought up trump's properties in Florida to help him in 2008 when everything was crushing, were playing him with trump tower moscow permits in 2013-2014, and laundered money through Deutsche Bank to finance Trump when American banks did not want to touch him.

Plus, you have no freaking idea what Mueller has on Manafort connecting to Trump, so maybe just wait for an investigation to conclude huh?

2. There are multiple aspects to it, and your favorite" collusion is not a crime" defense is pure BS, because no one is saying Mueller is going to take Trump down for that particular crime, but rather: conspiracy against the US (any efforts to help Russians with directing stolen data at voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, or timing of DNC materials release during the campaign), obstruction of justice, and financial crimes.

Do you really believe that Trump Jr never told his dad about Russian efforts to discredit HRC or stolen emails? Do you really think in a close family, closely run enterprise for decades, he would have hidden the meeting with Russian Kremlin operatives? Do you really think that Papadapoulos, Carter Page, arranging for trips and discussions with Moscow to help elect Trump were made without ANY knowledge of Trump?

You are kidding yourself and you know it.

3. "It has been a year"

This particularly shows how shallow your understanding is.

This type of investigation goes usually for 18-24 months at minimum. Shoot, the grand jury itself operates for at least a year!

And here you have grand jury only since October !
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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Lol. Because the New York Times is so very credible. The same New York Times that said that Trump's wires were tapped in the first place?

The Russia investigation is a hoax. To date, no one has even suggested what "collusion" even means. Last I heard, they were looking into some Russians buying facebok ads in Wisconsin. No connection to the Kremlin on one side or to Trump at all, but that was what the left was getting excited about.

All right, so lets pretend that all of this is true (and there is no corroborating evidence that it is). Russians hacked the DNC and wikileaks published the e-mails.

WHAT HAS TRUMP TO DO WITH IT?

And regardless of that answer, for those of us with brains, the disturbing part is still the information contained in the e-mails showing the Democrat party functioning as a criminal organizaion.

Just give up. It has been over a year. It is time to put the cards on the table. Indicting Manafort for what he did fifiteen years ago or Flynn for a minor charge of mispeaking about what happened after the election is not going to get you there. Put up or shut up.
Why does Trump keep interviewing with the NYT if they aren't credible? Actually, Trump himself said that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.

The Russia investigation is not a hoax. As far as what does Trump have to do with it? That's what the investigation is all about. So I guess we will have to wait and see.

And nope, not giving it up. Why should we? You got over three years for your Benghazi investigation. We're nowhere near that with this one. So you just have to sit there and wait it out with the rest of us I'm afraid. We don't have to put up or shut up. And we're not gonna.
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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So the entire Fox News/Trump efforts to obstruct the investigation by spreading lies about Steele dossier are one big fail.
This NYT story is so lame I didn't even bother posting it...but I figured the libs would jump all over it. More anonymous sources citing a drunk barstool conversation?

The NYT evens gives away what they're trying to do..."It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies."

Mueller's credibility is getting hammered. The people investigating the Russian fairy tale are totally corrupt and in the tank for Hillary. Now this silly story comes along? Anyone want to wager the failed novelist Ben Rhodes has his fingers in this clunker of a story.
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:59 PM
 
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This NYT story is so lame I didn't even bother posting it...but I figured the libs would jump all over it. More anonymous sources citing a drunk barstool conversation?

The NYT evens gives away what they're trying to do..."It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies."

Mueller's credibility is getting hammered. The people investigating the Russian fairy tale are totally corrupt and in the tank for Hillary. Now this silly story comes along? Anyone want to wager the failed novelist Ben Rhodes has his fingers in this clunker of a story.
Me thinks Mueller is doing just fine.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Everything the Times reported today is old news from the investigation standpoint. They got this dummy Popodopolus for lying to the FBI about God knows what. The way the article reads was that he was drunkenly running his mouth and then lied about it to the FBI. So foolish on his part. I'm sure there is more to come but this report isn't exactly earth-shattering in its account.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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The emails obtained by The Times show no evidence that Mr. Papadopoulos discussed the stolen messages with the campaign.
And with that the millions of screaming anti-Trumpers cry in their corners... sorry anti-Trumpers all the NYT did was lay out old news...
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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This NYT story is so lame I didn't even bother posting it...but I figured the libs would jump all over it. More anonymous sources citing a drunk barstool conversation?

The NYT evens gives away what they're trying to do..."It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies."

Mueller's credibility is getting hammered. The people investigating the Russian fairy tale are totally corrupt and in the tank for Hillary. Now this silly story comes along? Anyone want to wager the failed novelist Ben Rhodes has his fingers in this clunker of a story.
The only ones attacking Mueller are right wing crazies fringe like random congressman from Florida who was previously in jail, judge whatever her name is but likes to speed 130mph, and couple other hannity like crazies from state propaganda fox news fringes.

Vast majority of people, especially ones familiar with Mueller's post 9/11 leadership, his republican beliefs (and donations), and clean record know he is the man of highest integrity and standards.

Listen dude, all that noise about NYT being fake news, but so far on trump-russia they have been on point what's been proven with indictments and plea deals.

And we are not even 1/3 through the investigation, kinds of which last usually 18-24 months at least.

And yes, Australians confirmed that. FBI didnt even have the Steel dossier available in July 2016.

Trump ppl are so dense, its almost painful.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:13 PM
 
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So basically the left is admitting that launching an investigation based on a fake politically motivated dossier is evidence that the DOJ was weaponized against Trump? I'm glad we finally have you on record admitting that, so when this story ends up being exposed as fake news we can laugh as we watch you attempt to walk it back.
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