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Old 01-01-2018, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Caribbean
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What exactly were "African marriage traditions and values" to begin with?
What's the situation with the "African marriage traditions and values" on the African continent may I ask?
African-Americans and others in the African diaspora came from over 40 different ethnic groups. So there are various religions and cultural practices associated with marriage. If you are interested, you can start somewhere like Nigeria and get to know the various ethnic traditions.

I can give you a few examples though...

In a traditional Yoruba marriage, the groom and his groomsmen must lay prostrate at the feet of the bride’s family to show his respect for the parents who raised his wife (dobele).

Dowries are non-existent and are not uncommon in multiple African cultures, even if done symbolically now. That was lost in the Americas.

In Guyana, the Afro-Guyanese have a pre-wedding ceremony called a kweh kweh. Not sure what tribal origins that comes from or if completely of Afro-Guyanese tradition. But again, Africans in general place great emphasis on weddings and marriage.

So if you familiarize yourself with the types of wedding and marriage traditions in West and Central Africa, you can get an idea of how much was lost. Weddings and marriage are very serious and very much expected of all.

In Nigeria, out of wedlock births are low. Same for a number of other West African nations, except perhaps Portuguese Africa. There is a stigma associated with having children out of wedlock in the majority of African countries, the exception being South Africa which has a far more extensive history of oppression of the indigenous African population by whites.

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Old 01-01-2018, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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The obsession continues
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Well I can of course.

Here is just an example -

"West and Central Africa have some of the world’s highest rates of child marriage - three in four girls in Niger, and more than half in Mali, are married by the time they turn 18 - according to the United Nations children’s agency (UNICEF).

And the number of child brides in the region is set to soar to 12 million in 2030, from around eight million today, UNICEF data shows, amid booming population growth across the continent.

For while the legal age of marriage for girls in many countries is 15 or 16, they may be wed at a younger age under Sharia or customary law in religious and traditional weddings, which are more common than civil marriages across the region.'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-w...-idUSKBN18Q001

But I thought may be ReineDeCeur can tell something different about the "African marriage traditions and value"?
Wait, is this new to you? Traditionally, girls were and still are married off young in numerous cultures. Within some Islamic cultures around the world, marriages can be quite young.
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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Oh wow, another white folks are naturally superior to other folks.

It's all in the IQ, regardless of historical records.

How... predictable.
Doesn't work too well these days because:

1. Jews are an order of magnitude smarter than the white population.
2. Russians average less than 100 IQ
3. Asians now have the highest - but they didn't before - it's LEARNED behavior and these countries educated and socialized their citizens in order to achieve this (Japan went up 10 points!).

And so, my fellow white people, you can hold up a sign that says "We're number 3 (maybe)".....
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Sort of like Great Britain's age of consent laws which they took with them to the Colonies huh?

"A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years."
Children and Youth in History | Age of Consent Laws
No, it's not "sort of like."
We are talking about the arranged marriages here, which seems to be a case in Africa.
That's a different subject.
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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The IQ gap is a recognized fact. I am sure you have alternative facts. Post your link showing black and white IQs are equal on average.

There are many factors involved in the gap and individuals should start working on eliminating conditions responsible for the gap rather than denying the gap exists.
It is a a recognized fact that Russian IQ's are less than 100.

It is a fact that Japan embarked on a program to raise IQ and got 10+ points out of it and now I think they are the smartest in the world (surpassing Jews...who can't do what Japan did because we have no central authority and society).....

Since many Israeli Jews came from Russia, Africa and other such places the IQ of Israel is even fairly low...

Ah, but the key is not the average. Get a dozen Steve Wozniaks and Von Brauns and you can make something of it.
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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Wait, is this new to you? Traditionally, girls were and still are married off young in numerous cultures. Within some Islamic cultures around the world, marriages can be quite young.
Yes, I keep on forgetting that West Africa IS Islamic ( not only Eastern part of Africa.)
All right then, so... were the slaves taken from an Islamic country(ies)?
But in this case it was the RELIGION ( yet again) that was supporting the institution of marriage for Africans. In the same manner sort of, as Christianity was supporting the institution of marriage for Europeans.
(Just my guess.)
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Old 01-01-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Doesn't work too well these days because:

1. Jews are an order of magnitude smarter than the white population.
2. Russians average less than 100 IQ
3. Asians now have the highest - but they didn't before - it's LEARNED behavior and these countries educated and socialized their citizens in order to achieve this (Japan went up 10 points!).

And so, my fellow white people, you can hold up a sign that says "We're number 3 (maybe)".....

What nonsense.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What nonsense.
Actually it is true. Notice no one is ever called an Asian supremeist when pointing this fact out.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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There is NO solution. It's that simple.
See, the very foundation of American society was white and Christian - based. Which means it was following the biblical beliefs of men being in charge of the family unit ( or in charge of the society period,) and women were supposed to have the "supportive role." In THAT America Blacks ( and other people of color) were regarded as "second sort" of people and were told to follow the same pattern that the Whites followed ( as far as family unit was concerned) or else. Children out of wedlock were frowned upon AMONG THE WHITES to begin with. Twenty years fast forward, comes the "sexual revolution" brought BY THE WHITES, and the Blacks just follow the lead ( since "Sexual revolution" correlates with the civil rights movement.)
And there you have it. What became socially acceptable for Whites, became socially acceptable for Blacks.
"But-but-but" some can say "The birth rate out wedlock ( i.e. fatherless children) is nowhere as high among the Whites comparably to Blacks. If it were just WHITE America, we could have dealt with this problem and cover the single mothers with welfare payments, however when we have this ever-growing chunk of population (people of color) that disproportionately use this "out of wedlock" privilege of women, and this particular segment of population is ALREADY poor to begin with, the financial obligations ( i.e. welfare payments to single mothers) become burdensome for the rest of population ( be that working Blacks or Whites.)
Now. What kind of solutions do you have in this situation?
Number one - to abolish the whole "women emancipation" idea for both Whites and Blacks, ( because since everyone belongs to the same nation, you can't promote Christian principle for the former ones, but exclude the latter.) To go back to society mores of pre-"sexual revolution" times.
You see what kind of backlash this proposal would bring from women ( both White and Black)?
And solution number two - to make sure that the single mothers would be able to support themselves and their children while working. But THIS brings the whole other array of problems - the daycares, the public transportation, the jobs that are suitable for mother's schedules and so on. ( Because the government can dictate to put these women to work all it wants, but PRIVATE sector will still decide who is going to be hired.)
So the only way you can accommodate these women (to make sure that they work and do their fair share of raising children, while earning money,) is to change the whole structure of the society.
The idea which will not thrill too many men in the US.
And so, as I've said - there is no solution.
No viable solution for American society as far as I can see.
If there really is no solution, why bother talking about the subject?
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