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Old 12-31-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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because its not about voter suppression (thats just an convenient excuse to stop voter id laws). Its really about not wanting an accurate way to verify votes. A certain political wing in this country gets lots of support from dead people, illegal aliens, and transporting people around to vote in elections they aren't supposed to be voting in.

We are one of the only (if not only) countries that doesn't require an id

Somehow while its racist to require one to vote, its not to require one for hundreds of other things like buy a gun, drive a car, obtain welfare benefits, open a bank account, buy prescribed medication, hunt/fish and on and on.
There is more to the story then your skewed version.

As I said -- I reacted the same - of course you need ID - -and then I read why some folks may not have the 'proper' ID or have issues trying to fulfill the voter ID requirements. It does most certainly seem like suppression when the biggest sector of the population impacted are poor, rural, blacks. It just seems that way. AND if it isn't - then let's go all in - make sure all these people have assistance to get the proper ID and make sure that from now our local govt. provides the proper systems for making it easy for everyone who is entitled to the ID to get the ID

But you see -- what happened is -- stricter voter ID laws were enacted in areas where those govts. knew their population and the difficulties they would have in fulfilling the legal requirements -- that's just not right.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Huh?
When you pull a part of a sentence out of context...............
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Old 12-31-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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In Missouri, marijuana is illegal. No on the ID for alcohol, except Walmart has a policy that everyone is supposed to need ID. Cashiers don't enforce it. No ID to vote. They just ask your name. Of course, only 8,000 population here.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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If the answer is "yes" then why is it voter suppression to be asked for ID when you vote? Don't the same people buy marijuana and/or alcohol?

Perhaps because there's not been 100 years of suppression because of race, gender and religious belief in alcohol sales...

BREAKING NEWS: Apples are different than oranges.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Of course it is about voter suppression. There is lots of evidence that adoption in some states was driven by nothing else but...

There is a simple scheme to provide voter ID without any suppression. Simply provide a DMV camera at each polling place and create an ID for anyone on the voting roles who does not have one. Creates a perman ent record of who votes and can be audited as it is the same system used by virtually all states for ID and drivers licenses.

Strangely enough it gets no support from the Republicans. When the Republicans proposed Voter ID in Nevada the Democrats responded with this proposition. The Republicans then dropped the subject.

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Old 12-31-2017, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Perhaps because there's not been 100 years of suppression because of race, gender and religious belief in alcohol sales...

BREAKING NEWS: Apples are different than oranges.
Bingo!!!

I don't know why so many people fail to understand this.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Bingo!!!

I don't know why so many people fail to understand this.
Oh I think they fully understand it, but framing it that way makes a nice cover for bigotry.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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These two things are not similar. Voting is a basic right; buying alcohol or pot are privileges given to the public under laws that are restrictive and regulating.

We should be doing whatever we can to make legal voting accessible and easy because universal voting is a cornerstone of democracy, and our system can't survive without it. Each citizen should have a voice, no matter what ethnicity, socio-economic status, etc.

Conservatives seem to think that they are advancing reasonable arguments when they try to restrict voting, but their agenda is very clear to everyone: they want anyone who is likely to vote Democratic to be disqualified or at least discouraged from voting.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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They want to keep minorities from voting. What happens when we whites are the minority? That day is coming.
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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If voter IDs are so important why not just have them issued when a person registers to vote? I registered and got a card in the mail a few weeks later in every state I have ever lived in. Why can't that card be your voter ID?
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