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Old 12-31-2017, 08:24 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Here’s a very revealing (but not surprising) story by the NY Times on the gross incompetence, corruption and bureaucracy that plagues NYC/NYS government. It’s by the liberal NY Times, so if they are not even afraid of exposing liberal NY politics, then you know it’s real and serious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/n...ion-costs.html
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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Right-wingers view everything as the fault of "liberals" while missing the fact that incompetence can strike anywhere at any time: government or big business, right or left. Stop trying to make everything about partisan politics, unless you actually expect us to believe that in magical right-wing land, infrastructure projects always go as planned and come in under budget. Sure they do...

Of course, if we're playing the partisan game as is this forum's purpose, I can do that, too. At least they got a subway track - the only reason righties haven't screwed up something similar, is because they don't spend a dime on infrastructure. There, that accomplished a lot, didn't it? Whatever...
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The link doesn't work.

I am guessing this is the story.

The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth - The New York Times

As I said previously, 900 being employed with only 700 actually having jobs to do sound like an episode of 'The Sopranos', when the Soprano crew would sit around construction sites playing cards.

It sounds like the mob is still involved in the construction business in NYC, which isn't a surprise.

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Old 12-31-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Govt incompetence isnt partisan, but it is a fact of life. Are private businesses incompetent at times? Sure they are, but they are punished for it in the marketplace whereas govt incompetence is usually rewarded with more taxpayer money.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:46 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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The link doesn't work.

I am guessing this is the story.

The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth - The New York Times
paywall. is it this one?

Trump administration kills Gateway tunnel deal | Crain's New York Business
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Right-wingers view everything as the fault of "liberals" while missing the fact that incompetence can strike anywhere at any time: government or big business, right or left. Stop trying to make everything about partisan politics, unless you actually expect us to believe that in magical right-wing land, infrastructure projects always go as planned and come in under budget. Sure they do...

Of course, if we're playing the partisan game as is this forum's purpose, I can do that, too. At least they got a subway track - the only reason righties haven't screwed up something similar, is because they don't spend a dime on infrastructure. There, that accomplished a lot, didn't it? Whatever...

The only thing liberals have accomplished is flooding the country with unskilled illegals that can't speak English, like that's going to fix our infrastructure woes. I got news for you... All the liberal arts majors and illegal aliens in the world will never solve our nation's infrastructure woes. You would have done us all a favor by not trying anything at all, because everything that liberals touch goes to crap.

Wasn't "the one" Obama supposed to solve these infrastructure issues? Was the "shovel ready jobs" bit just another joke on the American people? Sure looks like it to me. We are sick and tired of jokes and games from liberals who talk down on America, all while ruining it with your brainless ideas, lack of real effort, and gender bending bathroom distractions. There are real issues in America that need solving. Where are the adults in the room?

Liberals had 8 years to fix America. They simply divided the masses and turned Americans against one another. You're time is up, and liberals have revealed themselves for the epic failures that they are. Time to move to Europe if you want to live in a liberal wasteland. America is moving in a different direction now, because the American people deserve better than mediocrity.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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NJ/ NYC/NY can pay for it.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Right-wingers view everything as the fault of "liberals" while missing the fact that incompetence can strike anywhere at any time: government or big business, right or left. Stop trying to make everything about partisan politics, unless you actually expect us to believe that in magical right-wing land, infrastructure projects always go as planned and come in under budget. Sure they do...

Of course, if we're playing the partisan game as is this forum's purpose, I can do that, too. At least they got a subway track - the only reason righties haven't screwed up something similar, is because they don't spend a dime on infrastructure. There, that accomplished a lot, didn't it? Whatever...
missing the point, government waste on a colossal scale is a legacy of both parties. Party is irrelevant for the most part, the cogs of government machinery need to be ground to a halt. We need to have an advocate, used to be the free press, perhaps some of the NTYs watchdog DNA is re emerging. Dems and unions are a well known partnership that results in taxpayer abuse. Repubs are not innocent, though have not honed their graft to a fine art as the dems. Both parties are party to this outrage that never, ever gets reined in.


No infrastructure project's cost and time to complete has ever been met and routinely exceeded as if to placate public outcry at the creation of such projects. No one has ever been fired when their forecast of cost and time run generations past forecast.


time for a change, only hope is Trump. If not for Trump better just shut up and hand over your hard earned cash to people who considered taxpayer cash flow and endless spring of personal profit.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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I had this in the economics thread. This link works and there are excepts from the story. It is indeed about the labor union/consultant/political milieu in NY.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/n...T.nav=top-news

"The leaders entrusted to expand New York’s regional transit network have paid the highest construction costs in the world, spending billions of dollars that could have been used to fix existing subway tunnels, tracks, trains and signals."

"The estimated cost of the Long Island Rail Road project, known as “East Side Access,” has ballooned to $12 billion, or nearly $3.5 billion for each new mile of track — seven times the average elsewhere in the world." The rest of the world includes Shanghai and Singapore, sure, but it also includes London, Paris and Tokyo.

“They’re claiming the age of the city is to blame?” asked Andy Mitchell, the former head of Crossrail, a project to build 13 miles of subway under the center of London, a city built 2,000 years ago. “Really?”

Overstaffing, $1000/day wages, "consultants", etc.
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Old 12-31-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Here’s a very revealing (but not surprising) story by the NY Times on the gross incompetence, corruption and bureaucracy that plagues NYC/NYS government. It’s by the liberal NY Times, so if they are not even afraid of exposing liberal NY politics, then you know it’s real and serious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/n...ion-costs.html
Good on President Trump for not making this a Federal subsidy.
Only New Yorkers should pay for their transportation.
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