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Old 01-03-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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White people and Christians who don't fall into the above categories and are standing up for themselves are the target of these "hate speech" laws.
Complete alt-right nonsense.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:14 AM
 
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Christians-Conservative party holds the majority in German parliament.
So what?

They have no more respect for free speech than the liberal/left parties.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:15 AM
 
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Complete alt-right nonsense.
Nope.

And why haven't you given us the details on that 1919 Supreme Court case you've repeatedly cited?
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:22 AM
 
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So what? They have no more respect for free speech than the liberal/left parties.
So, the conservatives helped pass these laws, which contradicts your comments.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:31 AM
 
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So, the conservatives helped pass these laws, which contradicts your comments.
No, it doesn't.

Conservatives in Germany are not the same as conservatives in the U.S.

Thanks to the U.S., which established the ground rules for post-war Germany, free speech is not allowed in Germany. We know that from this thread.

None of the powerful parties in Germany -- including the Christian Democrats or whatever the conservatives are called there -- support free speech.

And where is that 1919 SCOTUS decision you mentioned?

What's the name of the case, what are the details?
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:47 AM
 
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No, it doesn't. Conservatives in Germany are not the same as conservatives in the U.S.
They are conservatives, which contradicts your argument that only liberals/leftists supported it. Own your words.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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They are conservatives, which contradicts your argument that only liberals/leftists supported it. Own your words.
Where did I say that?

Right wing parties are obviously against the restrictions, since their message is being restricted.

Garden variety conservatives -- which in Germany means moderates, not right wingers -- are for the restrictions.

So where is that 1919 case you mentioned, councilor?

Present your brief.

The court is all ears.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:06 AM
 
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And where is that 1919 SCOTUS decision you mentioned?

What's the name of the case, what are the details?
1919 SC cases restricting the Freedom of speech. It would be helpful if you did some research on your own, since it is very easy to Google "restrictions to freedom of speech".

Even you might have heard of the famous Supreme Court argument "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater".

Schenck v. United States Anti War speech aka "Shouting fire in a crowded theater"

They are basically very conservative rulings to make sure people kept their mouths shut about the draft to WW-I.

Abrams vs US Anti War Speech

Debs vs US - Anti War speech (restriction to free speech)

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The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
As we know, in the 1960s these rulings were no longer enforced, so the liberals had been successful in overturning these very conservative rulings to restrict freedom of speech.

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Old 01-03-2018, 06:13 AM
 
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Where did I say that? Right wing parties are obviously against the restrictions, since their message is being restricted.
Why do other people have to read your own posts back to you? Sheesh.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:19 AM
 
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1919 SC cases restricting the Freedom of speech. It would be helpful if you did some research on your own, since it is very easy to Google "restrictions to freedom of speech".
So the case you mentioned doesn't exist. Thought so. If it does, you would have presented it by now -- unless you're just playing games.

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Even you might have heard of the famous Supreme Court argument "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater".

Schenck v. United States Anti War speech aka "Shouting fire in a crowded theater"

Abrams vs US Anti War Speech

Debs vs US - Anti War speech (restriction to free speech)
How are those relevant to the case in which the Supreme Court said that Nazis had a right to march in Skokie, IL?

That's much more on point where the topic of this thread is concerned.

And it's obvious that now you CAN make anti-war speeches all you want in the U.S. So whatever restrictions might have existed 100 years ago, or 70 years ago, are long gone.

And we all know you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

Are you going to continue to throw stuff against the wall and hope it sticks?

Because it isn't working.
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