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Old 01-03-2018, 03:58 PM
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Liberals like poverty. They can't do anything to end it. They need the voter dependent on them.
And yet, alot of conservative states have high child poverty rates.
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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They demonize states like CA encouraging and supporting illegals who come here poor and add to the cost of a state. Texas encourages border control, CA likes their open borders.

Big difference.

Illegals here add tremendously to the poor problem and very expensive to provide services.

You missed the whole point of the thread starter though. We could sit here all day, and try to figure out why there’s poverty in certain states.

The point behind the thread starter was to try and pin the reasons on “liberals, as if “liberal” policies make CA some cesspool.
But, here’s my counter point….there’s several red states with worse child poverty rates. So, does that mean “conservative” policies are to blame?

So, if we're going to demonize CA....then let's also demonize the many other red states that rank so low in many areas as well.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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I'm curious why people are so concerned about illegal labor in CA, but not a single word about the illegal labor in, say, Texas; which is much worse than CA because in Texas there is a practice of not paying the illegals at all.

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You basically just said that there are lots of illegal labor in TX but they tend not to pay them which means you think that the illegal migrants are somehow stupid, which I can assure you they are not. Let's just say that I think you just told a whoppa. Whoppa...whoppa...whoppa....

Lastly, it's a sad day when someone that no doubt considers themselves a progressive can't understand why people are concerned about exploited illegal labor and ALSO the downhill impact of low non-illegal labor wages is something we should concern ourselves with.

You seem to have a real ivory tower view of the US labor force illegal or otherwise.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why are people bringing up states like Mississippi and Kansas? Those states have been impoverished forever, but California was at one time the land of milk and honey. Why such a precipitous drop in just a couple of generations? Hmmmmm...
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: North America
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Most of them are illegals, so I really don't care.



...says a lot about the soul of the Nation nowadays.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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You basically just said that there are lots of illegal labor in TX but they tend not to pay them which means you think that the illegal migrants are somehow stupid, which I can assure you they are not. Let's just say that I think you just told a whoppa. Whoppa...whoppa...whoppa....
This is why one needs to listen more and talk less, especially about subjects that one knows very little about.

Texas is the mother of illegals' exploitation. The illegals are not stupid but they are desperate. Some dude comes up to them and say he'll pay them X amount of dollar at the end of day, there is no guarantee they will get paid but they have no choice but to take a chance. Many times, they don't get paid and they can't go to the police. This is especially prominent in building construction, which is one reason why Texas housing is so cheap - free labor.


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Lastly, it's a sad day when someone that no doubt considers themselves a progressive can't understand why people are concerned about exploited illegal labor and ALSO the downhill impact of low non-illegal labor wages is something we should concern ourselves with.

You seem to have a real ivory tower view of the US labor force illegal or otherwise.

You seem to be under the impression that progressives are stubborn ideologues like most right-wingers. We are by nature practical people and we have found a middle ground that allows illegals to work, people to benefit, and most people in this system is ok with it. It's the right-wingers who are bitching about a system that is working.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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...says a lot about the soul of the Nation nowadays.

Huh? It's soulless to not want to support those in our country illegally?
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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Gorgeous coastline leading to great named cities like San Diego and Los Angeles. Nice weather, and fruit groves growing oranges. I would read about it, and wish I could get to see it.
Just heard how the majority of homeless alcoholics, drug addicts and mentally ill live in beach communities. I wonder how the residents who pay millions for their houses feel about this? At what point does common sense overcome virtue signaling liberalism? When the rich move out, who will pay the taxes? When people cry, "Tax the rich!" they forget that the rich can afford to move away.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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Its a simple equation. High Taxation + High Regulation = Less Jobs ----->Less Jobs=Less Tax Revenue -----> Less Jobs=More Poverty -----> More Poverty=More Welfare -----> More Welfare=Higher Taxes on Companies and Wealthy.....

What happens when you start bringing the taxes so high on citizens and companies that they finally pick up and leave???? Well. You only have people on welfare left, and 0 middle class. The economy won't sustain itself. Then it will collapse in taking care of a bunch of welfare recipients . Then the only people left will be homeless and illegals.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:47 AM
 
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It bugs me the way Loony Leftists make everything about feeeeeeeelings instead of logic. So the kids are living in poverty but their parents are well off? Should be 'families in poverty.'
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