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Old 01-03-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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So, are white French descended from non-Muslim Euro immigrants to France "not French" either?

If you think they are not French , you'd be claiming that most of the white population of Marseilles is not French, including some very devoted FN supporters. You'd be claiming that Sarkozy isn't French, and that Charles Aznavour isn't French, etc. etc. etc.


Immigrants CAN become Frenchmen. But it takes a lot more than just being born in France to be considered ethnically French.


Can a white person who is descended from only white people... and who stays in white neighborhoods and marries other white people and identifies heavily with their ancestor's culture ever become Japanese? .... Even if they were BORN in Japan?



I know this concept is hard for many Americans to grasp. But the rest of the world does not view ethnicity and nationality the way we do.


Anyone can become American. Or Canadian. Or Cuban. Or Brazilian. Or Mexican.... and all pretty quickly, regardless of background. But not in "old world" countries.



So if you are living in "multi-cultural France," and living like an Algerian in France or a Ghanian in France.... You. Are. Not. A. Frenchman. The very dream of "multiculturalism" is to basically DISCOURAGE assimilation into a common identity. To encourage people to hold onto their old identities (while simultaneously bitching if the greater public or majority then doesn't view you as "one of them!" Quell Suprise!!


My grandparents and father almost moved to France from Portugal. They chose the US instead. However, had they moved to France and stayed in some ethnic ghetto and only married other Portuguese and didn't adapt to the customs and social mores of France... then they aren't French. And if their kids did the same... then the kids aren't French either. Assimilation is required. And time. And integration. And time.

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Old 01-03-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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The only places you can become something other simply based off your country of residence or citizenship is in the Americas. Why can you not grasp this concept? Are you that untraveled and uncultured?
Are you serious? You can become a French citizen in various ways, once you are a citizen you are "French" just like a citizen of the US is an "American"
  • French citizenship by birth in France or its overseas territories -Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth
  • French citizenship by birth abroad to at least one French citizen
  • French citizenship by birth in France - The child (legitimate or natural) is French if born in France to at least one parent also born in France.
  • French citizenship by adoption
  • French citizenship by naturalization
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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Are you serious? You can become a French citizen in various ways, once you are a citizen you are "French" just like a citizen of the US is an "American"
  • French citizenship by birth in France or its overseas territories -Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth
  • French citizenship by birth abroad to at least one French citizen
  • French citizenship by birth in France - The child (legitimate or natural) is French if born in France to at least one parent also born in France.
  • French citizenship by adoption
  • French citizenship by naturalization


Another person who doesn't understand the difference between French CITIZEN and ETHNICALLY FRENCH.


Have a seat.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Immigrants CAN become Frenchmen. But it takes a lot more than just being born in France to be considered ethnically French.
Can a white person who is descended from only white people... and who stays in white neighborhoods and marries other white people and identifies heavily with their ancestor's culture ever become Japanese? .... Even if they were BORN in Japan?
I know this concept is hard for many Americans to grasp. But the rest of the world does not view ethnicity and nationality the way we do.
Anyone can become American. Or Canadian. Or Cuban. Or Brazilian. Or Mexican.... and all pretty quickly, regardless of background. But not in "old world" countries.
So if you are living in "multi-cultural France," and living like an Algerian in France or a Ghanian in France.... You. Are. Not. A. Frenchman. The very dream of "multiculturalism" is to basically DISCOURAGE assimilation into a common identity. To encourage people to hold onto their old identities (while simultaneously bitching if the greater public or majority then doesn't view you as "one of them!" Quell Suprise!!
My grandparents and father almost moved to France from Portugal. They chose the US instead. However, had they moved to France and stayed in some ethnic ghetto and only married other Portuguese and didn't adapt to the customs and social mores of France... then they aren't French. And if their kids did the same... then the kids aren't French either. Assimilation is required. And time. And integration. And time.
My grandparents were Basque, they came from Pyrénées-Atlantiques, a few kilometer from the Spanish border. Their ancestors came about equally from France and Spain. They spoke french and basque and they called themselves french, they had cultural traditions of both the basque and the french. with your ideas about who is french and who isn't it sounds as though you wouldn't consider them french but rather some sort of "mongrel breed" geezus...
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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Another person who doesn't understand the difference between French CITIZEN and ETHNICALLY FRENCH.
Have a seat.
No, you have a seat or go study some history and find out where the French people actually came from, there is no indigenous French population. Most of the French People descend from the Celtic Gaulish Tribes and romans, and the romans were from a number of different tribes. After the collapse of roman empire, franks and visigoths started invading France. Frankish tribes established themselves as the ruling elite and therefore the country came to be called "France" which derives from "Frankish"
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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Immigrants CAN become Frenchmen. But it takes a lot more than just being born in France to be considered ethnically French.


Can a white person who is descended from only white people... and who stays in white neighborhoods and marries other white people and identifies heavily with their ancestor's culture ever become Japanese? .... Even if they were BORN in Japan?



I know this concept is hard for many Americans to grasp. But the rest of the world does not view ethnicity and nationality the way we do.


Anyone can become American. Or Canadian. Or Cuban. Or Brazilian. Or Mexican.... and all pretty quickly, regardless of background. But not in "old world" countries.



So if you are living in "multi-cultural France," and living like an Algerian in France or a Ghanian in France.... You. Are. Not. A. Frenchman. The very dream of "multiculturalism" is to basically DISCOURAGE assimilation into a common identity. To encourage people to hold onto their old identities (while simultaneously bitching if the greater public or majority then doesn't view you as "one of them!" Quell Suprise!!
What is it to live like a Frenchman?
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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Immigrants CAN become Frenchmen. But it takes a lot more than just being born in France to be considered ethnically French.


Can a white person who is descended from only white people... and who stays in white neighborhoods and marries other white people and identifies heavily with their ancestor's culture ever become Japanese? .... Even if they were BORN in Japan?



I know this concept is hard for many Americans to grasp. But the rest of the world does not view ethnicity and nationality the way we do.


Anyone can become American. Or Canadian. Or Cuban. Or Brazilian. Or Mexican.... and all pretty quickly, regardless of background. But not in "old world" countries.



So if you are living in "multi-cultural France," and living like an Algerian in France or a Ghanian in France.... You. Are. Not. A. Frenchman. The very dream of "multiculturalism" is to basically DISCOURAGE assimilation into a common identity. To encourage people to hold onto their old identities (while simultaneously bitching if the greater public or majority then doesn't view you as "one of them!" Quell Suprise!!


My grandparents and father almost moved to France from Portugal. They chose the US instead. However, had they moved to France and stayed in some ethnic ghetto and only married other Portuguese and didn't adapt to the customs and social mores of France... then they aren't French. And if their kids did the same... then the kids aren't French either. Assimilation is required. And time. And integration. And time.
I really dont think its hard to become an American but the left has encouraged this sort of balkanization under the guise of multiculturalism. You look at US/Mexico soccer games for the two national teams on american soil and there are far, far more Mexican flags . The people that attacked the republican rallies in orange county and san jose were waving Mexican flags

Even at many of the dreamer rallies they are waving mexican flags. Multiculturalism doesnt work
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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Immigrants CAN become Frenchmen. But it takes a lot more than just being born in France to be considered ethnically French.


Can a white person who is descended from only white people... and who stays in white neighborhoods and marries other white people and identifies heavily with their ancestor's culture ever become Japanese? .... Even if they were BORN in Japan?



I know this concept is hard for many Americans to grasp. But the rest of the world does not view ethnicity and nationality the way we do.


Anyone can become American. Or Canadian. Or Cuban. Or Brazilian. Or Mexican.... and all pretty quickly, regardless of background. But not in "old world" countries.



So if you are living in "multi-cultural France," and living like an Algerian in France or a Ghanian in France.... You. Are. Not. A. Frenchman. The very dream of "multiculturalism" is to basically DISCOURAGE assimilation into a common identity. To encourage people to hold onto their old identities (while simultaneously bitching if the greater public or majority then doesn't view you as "one of them!" Quell Suprise!!


My grandparents and father almost moved to France from Portugal. They chose the US instead. However, had they moved to France and stayed in some ethnic ghetto and only married other Portuguese and didn't adapt to the customs and social mores of France... then they aren't French. And if their kids did the same... then the kids aren't French either. Assimilation is required. And time. And integration. And time.
France is one of the very few Euro countries with a tradition of assimilating immigrants, which broke down when it came to Muslims. It worked very, very well, however, when it came to assimilating Southern Europeans like the Portuguese, or Eastern Europeans.

Portuguese immigrants show France what successful assimilation looks like | Euronews

Finding a white person in Marseille who is Francais de Souche (native French descent) is as difficult as finding a white person in New York of British ancestry, yet those descendants of Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Armenian, Greek, Russian etc. immigrants consider themselves French.
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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I really dont think its hard to become an American but the left has encouraged this sort of balkanization under the guise of multiculturalism. You look at US/Mexico soccer games for the two national teams on american soil and there are far, far more Mexican flags . The people that attacked the republican rallies in orange county and san jose were waving Mexican flags
Even at many of the dreamer rallies they are waving mexican flags. Multiculturalism doesnt work
Maybe those people waving flags are citizens of Mexico, did that ever occur to you?
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Old 01-03-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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Maybe those people waving flags are citizens of Mexico, did that ever occur to you?
So foreigners are driving up from Mexico and attacking Americans at their own political rallies in California. Wonderful third world future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxoL8tHSa7g
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