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Old 01-02-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
1) How do you know that suburb is heavily immigrant? You called it a "no go zone" but that has nothing to do with immigration.

2) Is wrong, there is no such thing as "ethnically french." French people are a mix of many different races and ethnicities.

3) Is just garden variety xenophobia.



I'm not remotely shocked that a bunch of American conservatives who know nothing about France are repeating American right-wing phrases like "No Go Zones", and think that you have to be white in order to be French.


OK, for a minute, let's suspend reality and ignore the obvious.
You tell us...just who were those rioters? Hmmm?
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Burning down cars is a NYE 'tradition' in France since the early 90's, and seems that 1000 cars is around the average number. That's why it doesn't make the news.

The tradition of burning cars, trucks, and even scooters to ring in the new year started in the early 1990s as a petty contest between the nation's major cities. It's still going strong today, and every year a few less-than-honest motorists take advantage of the trend to commit insurance fraud in the early hours of January 1st.

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/07/...ned-in-france/
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180102/is-...cars-dying-out

The suburb where the police officer was brutally kicked (Champigny-sur-Marne), is a solidly middle-class one, and looks quite sleepy and quiet to me.

Violent rioting - also against the police - is quite common, been so since the French Revolution, and the police in metropolitan areas are certainly no saints either.
Friggin inbreeds!
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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Yes, I live in the US, and happen to know that cops are assaulted and even killed on daily bases, and usually don't make the news. About 50 000 officers are assaulted every year, so if they were all in the news, there would be no room for anything else.
The most recent example:

Denver shooting: Deputy killed, 6 wounded by barricaded suspect - CNN

And the perp's identity....oh my...... an 'unhappy' Iraq war vet.

Gunman in deadly Colorado deputy shooting identified as Iraq War vet with grudge against sheriff | Fox News

Americans killing and raping Americans at a greater rate then France, but of course they have to look "over there" for someone else to vilify.

Why is this a common American tendency? Could it be as simple as being easier to scorn others than just looking in the mirror?
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What happened?

According to AFP, police were called to a private party that was held in an industrial zone shed in the Paris suburb of Champigny-sur-Marne. According to police reports, some partygoers were turned away from the door, which led to altercations in the adjacent street.
Two police officers, who have not yet been identified by French authorities, responded to the scene. In a video captured and disseminated on social media, the partygoers formed a mob and began to punch and kick the police officers.

Seems that this situation went out of hand, and it was not anything planned.


Suspects still at large after brutal beating of French police officer TheBlaze


Hope they catch the people responsible of this.
I checked and found Champaigny-sur-Marne suburb has 2.3% of their population born outside of France. Where did the "heavily immigrant suburb" claim come from?
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The most recent example:

Denver shooting: Deputy killed, 6 wounded by barricaded suspect - CNN

And the perp's identity....oh my...... an 'unhappy' Iraq war vet.

Gunman in deadly Colorado deputy shooting identified as Iraq War vet with grudge against sheriff | Fox News

Americans killing and raping Americans at a greater rate then France, but of course they have to look "over there" for someone else to vilify.

Why is this a common American tendency? Could it be as simple as being easier to scorn others than just looking in the mirror?
It's called "psychological projection".
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:51 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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typical race bait thread. IN the USA we have an average of about 1.40 police officers murdered every single day... yet OP wants to pretend france is the nation with the big culture problem. They are doing vastly better than the US when it comes murder... US you are three times more likley to be murdered than France... USA you are a little less than twice as likely to be raped than france... (us 28/100k FR 15/100k)

so much for your concerns about France OP, you are busted. The USA is a more violent nation we murder and rape much much more than the French, and the french are the ones with the problem according you..

Here is a link with a whole bunch of comparative states ref US vs FR crimes , turns out France is much much safer than the USA... by literally any measure any crime etc..


France vs United States Crime Stats Compared
False. We average about 150 police officers dying in the line of duty annually and that includes auto accidents, heart attacks, etc. The number of murdered officers is closer to 75 annually, not the 500+ you quoted.

http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/re...ies-Report.pdf
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Finland
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I checked and found Champaigny-sur-Marne suburb has 2.3% of their population born outside of France. Where did the "heavily immigrant suburb" claim come from?
Someone just made it up.

Of course it's not certain the partygoers were locals, but this particular suburb doesn't certainly fit the traditional "ghetto" narrative.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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Yes, I live in the US, and happen to know that cops are assaulted and/or killed on daily bases, and usually don't make the news. About 50 000 officers are assaulted every year, so if they were all in the news, there would be no room for anything else.
I didnt ask if you lived in the United states, I said are you from the united states? Yes, a mob viciously attacking a female police officer and burning 1000 cars would make the news

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France sees fall in New Year's Eve car-burnings - BBC News

2015 :

"While the car-burning can be easily traced back to 2005, some correspondents say the idea of burning cars as a form of protest in France dates back into the 1990s."


Tell me again about how you're an expert on France.
That"tradition" is not from french people its from the immigrant heavy suburbs

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And yet the U.S. is "blessed" with a higher rate of all crimes, including rape, than France; hadn't you gun-huggers better get busy?
You libs fall over yourselves to to divert and say "look over there" , yet America is the perfect example that multiculturalism and multiracial society doesnt work. We are a very violent nation like most multiracial, multicultural societies are - Latin America and the Caribbean

Look at the countries around the world with the lowest crime rates all fo them are pretty racially uniform with extremely strict controls over immigration , Japan,South Korea,Iceland,Switzerland Luxembourg etc. A multiracial country would need something like a very well regulated, disciplined society like Singapore to have low crime it seems

Yet we have been promoting the American multicultural,civil rights, multiracial society since the 1960s all over the world, the very era when our crime rate s exploded and family structure started breaking down with all the liberal great society, war on poverty fiasco
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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The OP never claimed that France is more violent than the US. That's a Straw Man that you introduced because the point the OP is making went completely over your head.
nope it is not.

a Comparison to the USA is completely justified as the OP is trying to paint FR as being a mess.

furthermore i provided a suitable link to allow readers to compare various nations to France..

The reason you leap to strawman is to make a strawman rebuttal of my post. somewhat ironic.



ALTs love lying about EU, they love to spread fear of "otherness" not saying the OP is one of these folk but that is the primary reason these posts show up.. the idea is to twist reality so that americans fear they will have to suffer outrages if Muslims are allowed to live here. that is the whole point. It has nothing to do with crime, or reality, it is all about reality distortion.
so my post is no strawman is goes to the heart of these posts...
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Finland
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That"tradition" is not from french people its from the immigrant heavy suburbs
Nah, car-burning is nowadays as French as eating snails.
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