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Do you think Rosenstein and Wray are secret Democrats?
Rosenstein and Wray are going to go in whichever way the wind is blowing.
If it turns out that false information was used to obtain the FISA warrant, or to start the Russia investigation, Rosenstein and Wray will say they were working to uncover that fact. Until then, they are going to lay low, and see what way the wind ends up blowing.
Nobody dares to end up on the wrong side of this mess, they all want to keep their heads down until the IG reports comes out.
I don't understand why they have a ready-made story for everything (Fusion GPS, Seth Rich, etc.) except for the Trump campaign's admitted contacts with Russian operatives, which they initially lied about. What is the narrative for that?
I don't know what the narrative is, but why did they all lie in the first place? Flynn, his kid, Papadopolous, Donny Jr., Ivanka, Kushner -- why the lies? Do they all have really really bad memories?
Theory is that the lies were to protect Trump (or their fear of Trump vindictiveness) who was well aware of everything going on.
I don't know what the narrative is, but why did they all lie in the first place? Flynn, his kid, Papadopolous, Donny Jr., Ivanka, Kushner -- why the lies? Do they all have really really bad memories?
Theory is that the lies were to protect Trump (or their fear of Trump vindictiveness) who was well aware of everything going on.
Rosenstein and Wray are going to go in whichever way the wind is blowing.
If it turns out that false information was used to obtain the FISA warrant, or to start the Russia investigation, Rosenstein and Wray will say they were working to uncover that fact. Until then, they are going to lay low, and see what way the wind ends up blowing.
Nobody dares to end up on the wrong side of this mess, they all want to keep their heads down until the IG reports comes out.
I don't understand. Why do they need to see which way the winds are blowing? They are the winds. As you said, the DOJ can confirm whether the Steele Dossier was the sole basis of a FISA warrant, and the DOJ is run by Trump appointees. Why would Nunes even need to ask for this information when Trump's own administration (Rosenstein) should know the answer? It would be like sending a subpoena to Bank of America to find out the balance on the joint checking account you have with your spouse.
Do you think the subpoena could be similar to Trump's claim that he had been "tapped" by Obama? Trump's legal team has argued that he is the nation's chief law enforcement officer, which means he can't obstruct justice. If he's the chief law enforcement officer, then he could presumably order the FBI to tell him if his phones had been tapped, and he could presumably tell the FBI to hand over the warrant application. If he had the authority and prerogative to fire Comey, why doesn't he have the same when it comes to the FISA warrant?
I don't understand. Why do they need to see which way the winds are blowing? They are the winds. As you said, the DOJ can confirm whether the Steele Dossier was the sole basis of a FISA warrant, and the DOJ is run by Trump appointees. Why would Nunes even need to ask for this information when Trump's own administration (Rosenstein) should know the answer? It would be like sending a subpoena to Bank of America to find out the balance on the joint checking account you have with your spouse.
Do you think the subpoena could be similar to Trump's claim that he had been "tapped" by Obama? Trump's legal team has argued that he is the nation's chief law enforcement officer, which means he can't obstruct justice. If he's the chief law enforcement officer, then he could presumably order the FBI to tell him if his phones had been tapped, and he could presumably tell the FBI to hand over the warrant application. If he had the authority and prerogative to fire Comey, why doesn't he have the same when it comes to the FISA warrant?
They aren't the winds, unless you think they control the OIG, who is investigating the FBI, and DOJ.
If Trump, or Sessions orders the release of the FISA application, or the evidence that was used to launch the Russia investigation, you all will claim obstruction of justice. Rosenstein should comply with the subpoenas. Under the circumstances, there should be full transparency. Heck, the dems should be all for release of the FISA application, and any evidence used to launch the investigation, it's the only way to save this investigation. That is of course assuming that the evidence is legitimate.
Trump, and Sessions know there was no collusion, they are playing a waiting game.
They aren't the winds, unless you think they control the OIG, who is investigating the FBI, and DOJ.
If Trump, or Sessions orders the release of the FISA application, or the evidence that was used to launch the Russia investigation, you all will claim obstruction of justice. Rosenstein should comply with the subpoenas. Under the circumstances, there should be full transparency. Heck, the dems should be all for release of the FISA application, and any evidence used to launch the investigation, it's the only way to save this investigation. That is of course assuming that the evidence is legitimate.
Trump, and Sessions know there was no collusion, they are playing a waiting game.
They should not be releasing anything while they at are still investigating, I don't recall that occurring on any level of government other than indictments. We had politicians under investigation and the prosecutors just do not release information. The house keeps on referring to the FISA warrants while the senate remains silent. Mueller doesn't need too prove anything to anyone at this point, he has done an excellent job of proceeding to find out the facts.
This case is extremely complicated, much more so that Watergate. It would be best for Trump and the house to step back as was the case during Iran-Contra. If the house wants answers why aren't they screaming for Grassley to release the 10 hour GPS testimony, why doesn't Devin Nunes release the 7 hour house testimony.
They should not be releasing anything while they at are still investigating, I don't recall that occurring on any level of government other than indictments. We had politicians under investigation and the prosecutors just do not release information. The house keeps on referring to the FISA warrants while the senate remains silent. Mueller doesn't need too prove anything to anyone at this point, he has done an excellent job of proceeding to find out the facts.
This case is extremely complicated, much more so that Watergate. It would be best for Trump and the house to step back as was the case during Iran-Contra. If the house wants answers why aren't they screaming for Grassley to release the 10 hour GPS testimony, why doesn't Devin Nunes release the 7 hour house testimony.
The problem is that there is evidence that the investigation was a conspircy to create an "insurance policy" in case Trump won the election.
You can't let an investigation continue until we know for sure that it is legitimate.
There is only two ways I know of to prove that this investigation is legitimate.
One, appoint a special counsel to investigate the FBI/DOJ (this is what needs to happen) or
Release everything to the judiciary committees, and let them decide.
If the investigation is legitimate, so be, it can then continue, if it's a fraud, let the prosecution of the FBI, and DOJ begin.
What is it that all you dems say? "We need to know".
Well we need to know if this investigation is a fraud, and unlike the Russia investigation, there is actually evidence that a crime may have been committed.
You can't sweep evidence of a fraudulent investigation under the rug, and you surely can't with a matter this serious.
Fusion states clearly their dossier was NOT the motivation for the counter intel investigation and THEY TOLD CONGRESS this in august. we now know the the republicans have kown this the whole time, the details are on maddow and in the NYT and The Hill...
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dems with egg on face again
LIBERAL law firm Perkins Coie.... paid Fusion GPS -- which in turn hired left leaning former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele -- for the dossier on behalf of its clients, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, in a massive fascist liberal effort to undermine Trump (who didn't even have the nomination at the time).
so the CLIENTS of Hitlery and the DNC ...
hire a left leaning brit.. THROUGH the left leaning corporation of Fusion, via the liberal law firm.... all for opposition bashing....
and you think the dossier should have ANY meaning....
We are to believe those who fought for months not to reveal who funded the ‘research’? Sure.. Honor among thieves, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by evilcart
Fusion states clearly their dossier was NOT the motivation for the counter intel investigation and THEY TOLD CONGRESS this in august. we now know the the republicans have kown this the whole time, the details are on maddow and in the NYT and The Hill...
Maddow breaks a bunch news this news tonight on her show. Fusion seem to want to get the information to the public that Republicans are trying to block the investigation. repubs are doing their best to protect Trump yet it is very clear they have known all along that there is damning evidence that Trump was money laundering with Russian around the globe and IMPORTANTLY that Trump's team KNEW exactly what was going on the whole time. the whole time and before even the FBI appears to have known.
Seems GPS tried to get congress to investigate bank accounts and transactions that might prove money laundering but that republicans investigating are refusing to investigate anyone but Fusion in attempts to smear them..
LIBERAL law firm Perkins Coie.... paid Fusion GPS -- which in turn hired left leaning former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele -- for the dossier on behalf of its clients, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, in a massive fascist liberal effort to undermine Trump (who didn't even have the nomination at the time).
so the CLIENTS of Hitlery and the DNC ...
hire a left leaning brit.. THROUGH the left leaning corporation of Fusion, via the liberal law firm.... all for opposition bashing....
and you think the dossier should have ANY meaning....
its a garbage, PAID FOR, made up dossier
No it is information on a crook, con man liar. Just today the lies were flying from POTUS, family and staff.
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