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Old 01-04-2018, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The FBI said there was no threat to natioonal security. In fact, it's public domain and by law they must show the application. They simply didn't want to comply with the law.

The most important question is, is the investigation on the up and up. I know the left gave up rule of law when they shifted to "by any means neccesary", but law enforcement can not go rogue to get someone, even if that someone is a bad guy. If they were trying to get a drug king pin, they can not falsify evidence in order to get a warrant. That would never hold uop in court. If Trump's guilty of collusion (whatever that is?) it must be proven lawfully.
FISA warrants are extremely secretive and not available to the public, they require approval by many agencies including a judge. It is not public domain, it is secretive for good reason. they don't need to provide the information to anyone outside of those that have the appropriate clearance.


No they cannot falsify information if they did they would be held responsible, that is why we have judges ruling as a last step. This is the system that has been in place, if you want citizens and outside groups being able to request detailed information on warrants contact your representative to change the system,
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:27 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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So what do we actually have here??


dems with egg on face again

LIBERAL law firm Perkins Coie.... paid Fusion GPS -- which in turn hired left leaning former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele -- for the dossier on behalf of its clients, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, in a massive fascist liberal effort to undermine Trump (who didn't even have the nomination at the time).




so the CLIENTS of Hitlery and the DNC ...

hire a left leaning brit.. THROUGH the left leaning corporation of Fusion, via the liberal law firm.... all for opposition bashing....


and you think the dossier should have ANY meaning....

it(the dossier) is a garbage, PAID FOR, made up dossier


so what do we have...lying, cheating crooked liberals, in collusion with Russia, paying for a falsly built by another far left liberal, a dossier...all in the name of cheating to get the power

liberals are a cancer to the constitution
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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LOOK, matey everyone gets it, you want to taint the source in order to try to invalidate the evidence.
But you don't have anything other than fantasy, not a single shred of proof of any wrong doing nor do you have any reason to even suspect wrongdoing by any of our security forces.


Rosenstein is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Mueller is doing exactly what he is supposed to do.
what is it that either one of those is doing that is upsetting you?

I mean stop and think for one min. Mueller is investigating Team Trump, he is mandated to find out if there was any crime and when he is done he will present his findings. What part of that scares you so much. If Trump was not working with Putin's people he will be free and clear and the stronger for it.

so why are you so concerned? remember if Trump did work with the Russians, you too surely want him to by jailed, i mean you are hardly so partisan that you would be OK with a POTUS in the pocket of a foreign power and we can be absolutely 100% certain that if Trump really was involve with PUTIN that PUTIN retained lots of proof and is blackmailing trump.


But again if Trump is clean he is clean and Mueller appears to be an honorable Republican. and lets face it, a lot of dems will be annoyed if Mueller just says, something like "trump was careless but not grossly negligent"...... and that is a likely outcome even if trump really is guilty... and what is more anyone really paying attention can already see that.



the alternative is you really do think Trump conspired with PUTIN and you are willing to cover for him, and i really do doubt that would be true even for most of the extremists here...
Again, I'm the one for full transparency. You're the partisan who wants to hide anything that might hurt "your side". I didn't even vote for Trump. If he's as guilty as you think he is, this should be an open and shut case, with no need to stack the deck against him right?

It's seemed pretty clear to me from the get-go that there was an obvious conflict of interests with Mueller investigating his close personal friend and protege James Comey's claims against Trump. Then I watched Mueller load up his team full of rabid Trump hating Hillary donors. That's when I smlled something rotten. Fusion GPS is obviously sketchy and seems to have become some sort of de facto branch of government. The fact that the Clinton campaign paid the Russians for the dossier is shady as hell. The fact that Fusion GPS hired the DOJ's Bruce Ohr to work on the dossier, while Ohr amd Strzok were secretly and illegally meeting with Fusion GPS. The fact that multiple FBI & DOJ officials have been demoted or forced to resign, as well as the judge in the Flynn case (who is also a FISA judge) all stink to huigh heaven.

As I've said ad nauseum, if Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians, then lock him up. Howvere, if the goal is to simply investigate everything he's ever done hoping to find a some sort of crime, then I'm not ok with that. We don't do that to our presidents. You would not be ok with that either correct?
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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FISA warrants are extremely secretive and not available to the public, they require approval by many agencies including a judge. It is not public domain, it is secretive for good reason. they don't need to provide the information to anyone outside of those that have the appropriate clearance.


No they cannot falsify information if they did they would be held responsible, that is why we have judges ruling as a last step. This is the system that has been in place, if you want citizens and outside groups being able to request detailed information on warrants contact your representative to change the system,
The congressional committee investigating has clearance & The FBI said no national security would be compromised. They acknowledge that by law they must comply, they just refuse to. They had until yesterday and after months, Rosenstein finally agreed to comply, but did not.

I agree that the FBI can not falsify evidence to acquire a FISA warrant and neither can a judge grant a FISA warrant witout proper evidence.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So what do we actually have here??


dems with egg on face again

LIBERAL law firm Perkins Coie.... paid Fusion GPS -- which in turn hired left leaning former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele -- for the dossier on behalf of its clients, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, in a massive fascist liberal effort to undermine Trump (who didn't even have the nomination at the time).




so the CLIENTS of Hitlery and the DNC ...

hire a left leaning brit.. THROUGH the left leaning corporation of Fusion, via the liberal law firm.... all for opposition bashing....


and you think the dossier should have ANY meaning....

it(the dossier) is a garbage, PAID FOR, made up dossier


so what do we have...lying, cheating crooked liberals, in collusion with Russia, paying for a falsly built by another far left liberal, a dossier...all in the name of cheating to get the power

liberals are a cancer to the constitution
What a convincing post, short on any facts but its always good to vent.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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It's obvious they are also afraid of the Mueller investigation for their own sake. Once the evidence comes out that some of the Congress GOP know more than they let on and are actually protecting Trump, they may as well kiss their political career goodbye.

Time to clean house!

Do you really think that the Trump cult and the right-wing fringe, would turn against a good republican, who twisted laws to protect the party? In fact, these supporters expect them to skew things in their favor, without regard for any laws. The privilege that the Right assumes it always has, justifies them in their own minds, to do whatever is necessary, to keep themselves on top.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The GOP is hiding the fact that the POTUS is guilty of obstruction and of working with the Russians. Just like Nixon only he used Cubans and obstructed justice.

Treason is one place to look as well as breaking election laws and obstruction.

Lets see the testimony of Fusion GPS, unchanged and wide open. If POTUS has no issue then it's over, if he does then charges need to come out of Congress.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Interesting that congress wants the GPS bank records but not Trumps.
Trump isn't under investigation.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Grassley originally indicated he couldn't release the transcript because it would compromise the investigation, then the FBI indicated that was not true. Then he said GPS didn't want them released which Simpson just contradicted. He obviously doesn't want the transcripts to be made public.
He offered for the 3 of them to come back to an open session, as they have additional questions for them and maybe this time Simpson won't plead the 5th.

The ball is in Fusion's court.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How do we know how many times they refused to answer if the hearing was closed?

And why did the Senator say the transcript would be released if the committee and fusion had no objection?

This game playing is making me dizzy. My dimwitted thoughts are coming from the Senator, whom I heard say he saw no reason why the transcripts could not be made public.

You saying Grassley and the court reporters records he refers to, is lying?
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