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Old 01-03-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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How about organizing labor, just like capital is organized. When labor is not organized while capital is, capital wins and workers lose. Its really that simple and the elites know it. Thats why the fight against the unions is so relentless. All the European countries with strong workers rights didnt get it by chance. They are there because of strong unions. Destroy unions and you're ultimately left with oligarchy. Latin America is the ultimate goal for these people. Very weak unions, terrible public safety net, mass poverty and despair, rampant corruption and monopolies, weak economic growth, a tiny super rich elite at the top and a deeply polarized society easy to manipulate.
You mean like Venezuela and Cuba? Oh right, those are socialist countries.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You mean like Venezuela and Cuba? Oh right, those are socialist countries.
Venezuela isn't the means of production are in private hands and most the people are employed in the private sector. Its a capitalist country with a dictatorship.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Government, by far. The religious are essentially taking advantage of the desperate, by using help as a way of sucking them into the religion. Like drug dealers, religions and cults thrive on desperation and hopelessness.
I disagree with you and we are lucky to live in American where we can disagree.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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You mean like Venezuela and Cuba? Oh right, those are socialist countries.
They are corrupt third world kleptocracies, a consequence of the policies by the elite over decades. Extreme polarization, mass despair and inequality leads to such examples as Venezuela and Cuba.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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They are corrupt third world kleptocracies, a consequence of the policies by the elite over decades. Extreme polarization, mass despair and inequality leads to such examples as Venezuela and Cuba.
The elites in those countries pay lip service to leftist ideals but at the end of the day nothing changes.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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The elites in those countries pay lip service to leftist ideals but at the end of the day nothing changes.
True, whether so-called left or right are in power, the elites in Latin America run the show with an iron fist.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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How about organizing labor, just like capital is organized. When labor is not organized while capital is, capital wins and workers lose. Its really that simple and the elites know it. Thats why the fight against the unions is so relentless. All the European countries with strong workers rights didnt get it by chance. They are there because of strong unions. Destroy unions and you're ultimately left with oligarchy. Latin America is the ultimate goal for these people. Very weak unions, terrible public safety net, mass poverty and despair, rampant corruption and monopolies, weak economic growth, a tiny super rich elite at the top and a deeply polarized society easy to manipulate.
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Old 01-03-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Yet you, and other Progressive constantly advocate for more, and more, or expanded Big Government programs as solutions for everything, that require more tax dollars. So, it is a perfectly logical argument. Put your money where your mouth is, and stop being HYPOCRITES.
You hate taxes, but don’t care that your employer is probably making $10 of profit for every dollar they give to you.

Ask yourself: who is it that’s picking your pocket? The rich or the poor? Who is forcing you to work longer hours for lower pay? The rich or the poor? Who is buying politicians that will create trade policies that send your job to India? The rich or the poor? Who is buying politicians who support open borders and employment of illegals and H1Bs that undercut your wages? Who is buying politicians that will reduce taxes on themselves and shift the burden onto you?

“There is indeed class warfare, and it’s my class, the rich class, that’s waging it and we’re winning.” — Warren Buffett

Who is picking your pocket more?
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Old 01-03-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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How about organizing labor, just like capital is organized. When labor is not organized while capital is, capital wins and workers lose. Its really that simple and the elites know it. Thats why the fight against the unions is so relentless. All the European countries with strong workers rights didnt get it by chance. They are there because of strong unions. Destroy unions and you're ultimately left with oligarchy. Latin America is the ultimate goal for these people. Very weak unions, terrible public safety net, mass poverty and despair, rampant corruption and monopolies, weak economic growth, a tiny super rich elite at the top and a deeply polarized society easy to manipulate.
You might want to think about who's opposed to deporting illegal aliens, who's against building a wall and strengthening our Southern border, and which cities and states have declared themselves to be "sanctuaries." They're the ones importing poverty. Deliberately. They wish to turn the US into Latin America. And they're doing so, literally.
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Old 01-03-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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You hate taxes, but don’t care that your employer is probably making $10 of profit for every dollar they give to you.
Extremely doubtful. By FAR, the largest business expense is labor costs.
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"As any company leader knows, the biggest cost of doing business is often labor. Labor costs, which can account for as much as 70% of total business costs, include employee wages, benefits and payroll or other related taxes. Labor costs are rising as the economy improves, having an even bigger financial impact on organizations across the US. The cost of employee benefits, which can account for up to 30% of overall labor costs, are a significant expense as well."
The Biggest Cost of Doing Business: A Closer Look at Labor Cost
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