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Old 01-04-2018, 01:26 AM
 
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Wrong. Please explain this:

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https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...t-records-show

As I've already stated, Dems are already literally turning the US into Latin America by deliberately importing poverty.
There is nothing to explain from that article. You seem deeply confused. The immigration rate is LOW from the southern border. Its as simple as that. You've been owned. You know you want America to be like a Latin American oligarchy. But you cant defend the results of your extreme political ideology. So you, like other right wingers, when you have no more arguments, fall back on immigration, thinking that is what is holding you back.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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No, they don't. Does this look "steeply progressive" to you?

Comparison: Income levels at which top income tax rate applies

The middle class is in the top income tax rate bracket right along with the top 1%. Perhaps we should put a US middle class income in the top tax rate bracket, too.

Additionally they have a 20% to 25% VAT tax that everyone pays, rich and poor alike.
Just in case people have trouble reading this, the numbers on the vertical axis for each country represent the ratio: (income at which the highest marginal tax rate kicks in/average annual income of the country).
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:35 AM
 
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There is nothing to explain from that article. You seem deeply confused. The immigration rate is LOW from the southern border. Its as simple as that. You've been owned. You know you want America to be like a Latin American oligarchy. But you cant defend the results of your extreme political ideology.
My ideology is to NOT deliberately import poverty. Dems' ideology IS to deliberately import poverty. Why? Because the poor overwhelmingly vote Dem. It's in the Dems' best interest to keep as many people as poor as possible to maximize their voter base.

And you all foolishly wonder why wages are deliberately kept depressed.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/s...ildren/fy-2016
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:09 AM
 
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My ideology is to NOT deliberately import poverty. Dems' ideology IS to deliberately import poverty. Why? Because the poor overwhelmingly vote Dem. It's in the Dems' best interest to keep as many people as poor as possible to maximize their voter base.

And you all foolishly wonder why wages are deliberately kept depressed.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/s...ildren/fy-2016
Look, your crowd has full control of Congress. The puppets you vote for dont care about the wall or the relatively low immigration from the southern border (your own links prove it again and again). The wages of working stiffs have stagnated for 40 years ever since Reagan's trickle down "miracle". And you continue to double down on these foolish policies that only hurt the working class. The ruling class laugh at you. They want Latin American oligarchy, you are advocating for it, and you might get it.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The American right wing media calls much of Europe Socialist. They are parliamentary democracies. The dominant political parties are the Christian Democrats and the Social Democrats.

Here is why the American right wing media vilifies European politics: https://www.fastcompany.com/3056830/...pare-to-europe



Check out the web site. The benefits don't stop there.
And what do you think a "Social Democrat" is? Democrats are socialists, and today they call themselves "Progressive" as well. "Progressivism" is Marxist-socialism.

Looks like somebody needs an education. And, by the way, a "democracy" is "mob rule."

We don't want to be like Europe. Why would we?
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Exactly!
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:30 AM
 
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in fairness to Informed Consent, a regressive tax system means those getting the largest benefit from government (Poor and middle class) pay a lot more in taxes.
The poor pay nothing in income tax.

Pay for your own stuff.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:36 AM
 
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Look, your crowd has full control of Congress. The puppets you vote for dont care about the wall or the relatively low immigration from the southern border (your own links prove it again and again). The wages of working stiffs have stagnated for 40 years ever since Reagan's trickle down "miracle". And you continue to double down on these foolish policies that only hurt the working class. The ruling class laugh at you. They want Latin American oligarchy, you are advocating for it, and you might get it.
You are misinformed. How many red states are "sanctuary states?" None.

When are you going to get it? Dems' ideology IS to deliberately import poverty. Why? Because the poor overwhelmingly vote Dem. It's in the Dems' best interest to keep as many people as poor as possible to maximize their voter base.

And you all foolishly wonder why wages are deliberately kept depressed.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:59 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Most left leaning folks that I know myself included have no problem paying more. We aren't driven by greed.
How magnanimous of you. So, everyone who disagrees with your political philosophy is "driven by greed," I suppose?

I would suggest, then, that you refuse your tax break, and voluntarily return it to the government. In fact, you don't have to wait to be taxed ...pay as much as you want.

The problem with you people is that you think that those who are successful got rich "on the backs of the poor," not by any effort of their own. You think there is one "big pie" of wealth, and some have more than their share. You buy into this garbage, which isn't supported by any theory of economics.

Success is achieved through hard work and perseverance. Those who persevere are driven, not by greed (though some may be), but by a desire to accomplish something, to bring some idea to fruition. I have known some of these people, because I have worked for them. They began with an idea, and built a business on that idea, beginning in their garage to produce a product for some specific purpose. The particular people I'm thinking of here were interested in vibration analysis, and developed and built equipment to monitor vibration in machinery. That was many years ago, and such equipment is in common use today.

Others are interested in financial security, and achieve a certain amount of wealth through smart money management and investment. This was my fathers case. He worked as a purchasing agent for a large Cleveland manufacturer (Lincoln Electric) but saved and invested, achieving a high level of financial security, which put all of his children through college, and secured his retirement (he even retired early). He was anything but greedy. We weren't "rich" (though some thought we were) but had a large home in the country, a sailboat (in later years) and a vacation home at a lake.

But to you, my father was "driven by greed," I suppose.
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:49 AM
 
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You are misinformed. How many red states are "sanctuary states?" None.

When are you going to get it? Dems' ideology IS to deliberately import poverty. Why? Because the poor overwhelmingly vote Dem. It's in the Dems' best interest to keep as many people as poor as possible to maximize their voter base.

And you all foolishly wonder why wages are deliberately kept depressed.
When is the wall coming up so you can be protected against the hordes of hispanics that keep you down? Is it coming up soon? Remember, the GOP, which love the poor (but are funded by the super rich and do their bidding) have full control of Congress.
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