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Old 01-04-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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I stand by what I said regarding the break with Socialism. You can find it in the first hundred pages of Mussolini by Jasper Ridley. I'm not saying that some of the beliefs that he had as a Socialist did not carry over into his Fascist period. The break with organized Socialism that I spoke of was a break with the Socialist intellectuals of Europe.

It was also published in Il Popolo d'Italia around 1920 that Mussolini was opposed to bolshevism.
Whenever anyone advocates subjugating the individual to benefit the collective society, that's NOT "breaking with socialism."
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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The right wing media only caters to idiots.
More specifically, it caters to those who onlly want reinforcement of their cherished beliefs instead of facts.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Why don't you try to move there. Please. We won't miss your type.
Who is we? You won the last election by a negative three million votes.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Why don't you try to move there. Please. We won't miss your type.
We stay here for the same reason people go to zoos.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:52 AM
Status: "Nevertheless, America's baseball team -- Roar, Tigers, ROAR!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Who is we? You won the last election by a negative three million votes.
And it bears repeating that the combined vote for Trump and the three conservative/libertarian candidates exceeded the combined Clinton/Stein vote by about 300,000; no mandate here.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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How magnanimous of you. So, everyone who disagrees with your political philosophy is "driven by greed," I suppose?

No not all but the posters on this particular board and there obsession about taxes shows us that they are basing the bulk of there decisions on greed.

I would suggest, then, that you refuse your tax break, and voluntarily return it to the government. In fact, you don't have to wait to be taxed ...pay as much as you want.
Garbage argument I pay my fair share and would pay more if required to do so I also
donate my time and money to causes I support.


The problem with you people is that you think that those who are successful got rich "on the backs of the poor," not by any effort of their own. You think there is one "big pie" of wealth, and some have more than their share. You buy into this garbage, which isn't supported by any theory of economics.
There are only so many resources on this planet the pie is finite and a few control most of it the fact that you are duped by them into thinking we have unlimited resources for all is ridiculous. In our economic system the few exploit the many and it will continue since resources like water and minerals and land are finite.

Success is achieved through hard work and perseverance. Those who persevere are driven, not by greed (though some may be), but by a desire to accomplish something, to bring some idea to fruition. I have known some of these people, because I have worked for them. They began with an idea, and built a business on that idea, beginning in their garage to produce a product for some specific purpose. The particular people I'm thinking of here were interested in vibration analysis, and developed and built equipment to monitor vibration in machinery. That was many years ago, and such equipment is in common use today.

Nothing wrong with hard work I agree but its not the only factor in play here. Many hard working people are living in poverty because the system is based on inequality and exploitation.

Others are interested in financial security, and achieve a certain amount of wealth through smart money management and investment. This was my fathers case. He worked as a purchasing agent for a large Cleveland manufacturer (Lincoln Electric) but saved and invested, achieving a high level of financial security, which put all of his children through college, and secured his retirement (he even retired early). He was anything but greedy. We weren't "rich" (though some thought we were) but had a large home in the country, a sailboat (in later years) and a vacation home at a lake.

But to you, my father was "driven by greed," I suppose.
If he was voting to screw over what little we do for the poor in the USA then yes your father was driven by greed.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:10 AM
Status: "Nevertheless, America's baseball team -- Roar, Tigers, ROAR!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Take note that we're only accused of "greed" when we seek to control and invest what we made through our own efforts; stealing and "redistributing" someone else's lawful property apparently doesn't qualify as "greed".
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Take note that we're only accused of "greed" when we seek to control and invest what we made through our own efforts; stealing and "redistributing" someone else's lawful property apparently doesn't qualify as "greed".
Redistribution is the only sane response to inequality. Calling it stealing is just a cheap out to avoid the issue.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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Redistribution is the only sane response to inequality.
No, it isn't. You need to read Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron, published in 1961:

Harrison Bergeron
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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No, it isn't. You need to read Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron, published in 1961:

Harrison Bergeron
I've read it and it has nothing to do with what I am advocating for. I don't have a problem with rich people I have a problem with rich people who use there wealth and influence to further stack the deck against the working class. Paying more in tax is not making everyone equal its giving everyone an equal shot.
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