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Old 01-07-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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I have most historians who are credible agree the nazis are right wing they are not allowed to write lies or propaganda their professional reputation is at stake.
Are Stalin's Gulags, similar to Nazi Concentration Camps, right-wing or left-wing?
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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Very true yet the ideologies which they are based on are very different.
No, they aren't. And I've posted evidence of such in a prior post.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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No, they aren't. And I've posted evidence of such in a prior post.
Well its great you somehow have the evidence to overturn all the political science and historical record just to push your right wing propaganda.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Why would anyone do that? FDR's high taxes on some but not all, among other misguided policies, extended the Great Depression by 7 years.
I've read speculation on that. It maybe true. I have many criticisms for FDR myself. Regardless, people were literally homeless, starving, and had no hope of getting any work to earn any money for either. President Hoover literally had the military use its force to evict protesting WWI veterans looking for an early payout of their promised bonuses so that they wouldn't starve or freeze to death. FDR's programs prevented people from dying unnecessarily of starvation or freezing and likely prevented a true socialist or communist revolution from taking place. I don't think our country would have survived 4 more years of Hoover's approach without something big and deadly happening. FDR basically put capitalism on life support in this country.

The far right confuses social programs like social security or food stamps in a capitalist country with socialism. Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production. The closest this country comes to that is Alaska's ownership of its mineral resources.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I've read speculation on that. It maybe true. I have many criticisms for FDR myself. Regardless, people were literally homeless, starving, and had no hope of getting any work to earn any money for either. President Hoover literally had the military use its force to evict protesting WWI veterans looking for an early payout of their promised bonuses so that they wouldn't starve or freeze to death. FDR's programs prevented people from dying unnecessarily of starvation or freezing and likely prevented a true socialist or communist revolution from taking place. I don't think our country would have survived 4 more years of Hoover's approach without something big and deadly happening. FDR basically put capitalism on life support in this country.

The far right confuses social programs like social security or food stamps in a capitalist country with socialism. Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production. The closest this country comes to that is Alaska's ownership of its mineral resources.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I have 31 days a year. 11 holidays and four weeks vacation.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I've read speculation on that. It maybe true. I have many criticisms for FDR myself. Regardless, people were literally homeless, starving, and had no hope of getting any work to earn any money for either. President Hoover literally had the military use its force to evict protesting WWI veterans looking for an early payout of their promised bonuses so that they wouldn't starve or freeze to death. FDR's programs prevented people from dying unnecessarily of starvation or freezing and likely prevented a true socialist or communist revolution from taking place. I don't think our country would have survived 4 more years of Hoover's approach without something big and deadly happening. FDR basically put capitalism on life support in this country.

The far right confuses social programs like social security or food stamps in a capitalist country with socialism. Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production. The closest this country comes to that is Alaska's ownership of its mineral resources.
Yes, fascism is a better description.

Mussolini was a socialist who discovered stealing government bureaucrats did better than producing.
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Socialism a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Yikes. No. Only those ignorant of history and of Hitler's actual quotes and policies assert that.

This is just a start...

Socialism and Fascism


Here's just some of what Hitler and the Nazis did:

Banned guns. Left-wing
Rioting, Vandalizing, Looting (Kristallnacht). Left-wing (just look at Ferguson, and Portland after the 2016 election)
Concentration camps. Stalin's Gulags. Left-wing

Many more parallels, some outlined here, with 190 citations:

Comparison of Nazism and Stalinism
And yet the Nazi's jailed both Socialists and Communists at the time. Their political opponents. Socialists tend to be anti-war, pro-human rights which is why leftist groups in many countries opposed the politics that led up to both WW I and ll. Look at Albert Einstein, a self described Socialist who was actively opposed to popular right-wing sentiment brewing in Germany at the time.

Hitler banned guns as a means of control, while Leftists oppose (not ban) guns because they don't like violence. Clear difference.

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Old 01-07-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Medicare for all is socialism and it’s how the left will defeat the right and hold power.
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