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Old 01-03-2018, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It's actually the other way around.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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For your information Socialists were in Hitler's concentration camps too. The recent tax cut shows a cozy relationship between the corporations and guys like the picture in post 20. That's called National Socialism.

Maybe Marx was wrong about an inevitable march toward Communism. Maybe it's Fascism that we are evolving toward.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No, they don't. Does this look "steeply progressive" to you?

Comparison: Income levels at which top income tax rate applies

The middle class is in the top income tax rate bracket right along with the top 1%. Perhaps we should put a US middle class income in the top tax rate bracket, too.

Additionally they have a 20% to 25% VAT tax that everyone pays, rich and poor alike.
It is not 'additionally'. It is the ONLY reason why you could argue their system is 'regressive', and even that is a silly and misleading argument. Everyone knows their income taxes rates are progressive.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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How much would Medicare for everyone cost?
The cost doesn't matter to Leftists. They mistakenly think someone else would foot the bill. That's their real motivation.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:51 AM
 
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How many Americans over fifty have stopped looking? Did you figure that in?
A lot of those jobs in your 95.9% employment level are part time because employers are too stingy to pay for benefits.

You quoted European stats for those under 25. Do you mean to say that the unemployment for Americans under 25 is 4.1%?

Stop playing with the numbers. Europeans have a better life than the miserable crumbs that we are grudgingly given. Europe's upper class still have their Chateaus on the Loire and estates on the Danube.
Not true. The middle class in Western European countries (including Scandinavia) have less disposable income and a lower standard of living than the US middle class, because they've accepted paying much higher taxes and therefore having a lower standard of living in exchange for access to more government services.

How middle classes in U.S., Western Europe compare | Pew Research Center

If you think the US middle class would accept a lower standard of living in exchange for access to more government services, work on that behalf.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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For your information Socialists were in Hitler's concentration camps too. The recent tax cut shows a cozy relationship between the corporations and guys like the picture in post 20. That's called National Socialism.

Maybe Marx was wrong about an inevitable march toward Communism. Maybe it's Fascism that we are evolving toward.
Which one are you enabling?
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:54 AM
 
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Trying to explain it to you is rather pointless; you seem to be unable to understand how much the government gives away to the poor for free.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Here.
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I oppose government imposition of benefits. I think they should be worked out between companies and their employees. Many employees prefer not to take vacations, family leave, sick days, etc., so basically they are subsidizing those that do.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Austin
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How many Americans over fifty have stopped looking? Did you figure that in?
A lot of those jobs in your 95.9% employment level are part time because employers are too stingy to pay for benefits.

You quoted European stats for those under 25. Do you mean to say that the unemployment for Americans under 25 is 4.1%?

Stop playing with the numbers. Europeans have a better life than the miserable crumbs that we are grudgingly given. Europe's upper class still have their Chateaus on the Loire and estates on the Danube.
I'm not "playing with numbers". I've provided published, and referenced, facts. those unemployment facts in the eu aren't good compared to the us.

Your vision that, in general, middle class or poorer europeans live better than americans in the same economic class is pure fantasy.
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Old 01-03-2018, 07:02 AM
 
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If you think the US middle class would accept a lower standard of living in exchange for access to more government services, work on that behalf.
Millennials would. They seem willing to give some things up for security, like mom's basement may be dark and depressing but it's always there.
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