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Old 01-04-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Blacks, probably not, but there were Native American CSA soldiers.

 
Old 01-04-2018, 01:54 PM
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The Union Army was almost burdened by Contrabands, or slaves who escaped across the lines. There were thousands of them at one point in many encampments following the union Army. If at any point during the conflict it was known that some of these slaves were capable of being confederate sympathisers and soldiers there would not have been a directive to employ them, pay them and give them rations. The most exhaustive work on African Americans in the Civil War is Dudley Cornish's The sable Arm. If there was sufficient evidence of black confederates Dudley would have most certainly edited his book to reflect it.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The deaths of female combatants & POWS is documented, on both sides. There is no question or doubt. Had there been black combatants in the Confederate ranks there would be documentation in after-battle reports of a uniformed black soldier found dead on the field, unless it was a slave who could pass as white. There are mentions of man-servants picking up rifles.

It's speculated that over 1000 women fought. There will never be an exact number. Makes the modern-day ban on women in combat pretty pathetic. It's right that that was done away with.
No. There is documentation that blacks fought for the Confederacy. It's just that it was exceedingly rare.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm not going through 50,000 pages to find three eyewitness acounts. Perhaps you could narrow it a bit since you have read through it, and give us some insight into which units they may have served with so that we can research Confederate pay records to find their status. Thanks in advance.

Also from your link, BTW:

Some black Southerners aided the Confederacy. Most of these were forced to accompany their masters or were forced to toil behind the lines. Black men were not legally allowed to serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate Army--they were cooks, teamsters, and manual laborers. There were no black Confederate combat units in service during the war and no documentation whatsoever exists for any black man being paid or pensioned as a Confederate soldier, although some did receive pensions for their work as laborers. Nevertheless, the black servants and the Confederate soldiers formed bonds in the shared crucible of conflict, and many servants later attended regimental reunions with their wartime comrades.
No. I provided the link with documentation.

It happened. GET-OVER-IT.

Also, for the millionth time, slavery is wrong, racism is wrong, the Civil War was fought over slavery, and people have had strange bedfellows in combat for ages (Finnish Jews aided the Nazis and fought the Russians).

You folks can sanitize all you want. You can tear down statues all you want. Those with the ability to reason and understand context as well as understand that not everything is black and white (no pun intended) will continue to be honest about what we know and can prove.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The Union Army was almost burdened by Contrabands, or slaves who escaped across the lines. There were thousands of them at one point in many encampments following the union Army. If at any point during the conflict it was known that some of these slaves were capable of being confederate sympathisers and soldiers there would not have been a directive to employ them, pay them and give them rations. The most exhaustive work on African Americans in the Civil War is Dudley Cornish's The sable Arm. If there was sufficient evidence of black confederates Dudley would have most certainly edited his book to reflect it.
The numbers are so low and documentation so scarce it hardly deserves to be mentioned. Cornish editing his texts indicate a personal decision...nothing more.

Nobody in their right mind suggests that black slaves enjoyed slavery or that ending slavery was not a great thing.

What these two politicians are doing is playing the game by the rules of the Left to throw their hypocrisy in their faces. That, and to garner support from what they believe to be a sizable portion of their constituents.

I enjoy that they are doing this. It's always great to troll liberals.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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There were black troops from the union but fighting for the South is a crazy notion.


Black slaves were often pressed or "leased" into service for the Confederate army and often worked to death.

I could see a statue being raised to honor these men but I thought they were trying to erase the Civil War from the history books because it was a scary time and reading or hearing about it offended a few people...
 
Old 01-04-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There were black troops from the union but fighting for the South is a crazy notion.


Black slaves were often pressed or "leased" into service for the Confederate army and often worked to death.

I could see a statue being raised to honor these men but I thought they were trying to erase the Civil War from the history books because it was a scary time and reading or hearing about it offended a few people...
Motivation wise, I would expect the threat of death or the promise of freedom would be the only reasons why a black man would pick up arms for the Confederacy.

With the conditions they were kept in though God only knows what was said to them to get them to do it. Masters controlled their slaves down to information they were given.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 04:13 PM
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A slave who is seen picking up a gun and shooting his way out of a situation after his owner gets over run by Union Troops would not be characterized as a Confederate Soldier. Mexicans fighting against Mexicans and Indians fighting against Indians is well documented. These groups had ideological issues with each other and with the US government that forced them to choose a side. To some extent Mexicans and Indians were fighting a Civil War within a Civil War. IMO To be considered a "Confederate" a slave had to have some ideological reason to shoot at the US government. In diary from Dixie Mary Chesnut said the slaves never let on but they knew the closer the sounds of guns came, the sooner they would be free.Why would they lift a finger to hamper this process?
 
Old 01-04-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Poor Dears,

OP is proved absolutely wrong, so now we get 6 pages of goal post moving.

Tsk tsk..
 
Old 01-04-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Getting the eff away from the frontline as well - smart move.
Yep.
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The Union Army was almost burdened by Contrabands, or slaves who escaped across the lines. There were thousands of them at one point in many encampments following the union Army. If at any point during the conflict it was known that some of these slaves were capable of being confederate sympathisers and soldiers there would not have been a directive to employ them, pay them and give them rations. The most exhaustive work on African Americans in the Civil War is Dudley Cornish's The sable Arm. If there was sufficient evidence of black confederates Dudley would have most certainly edited his book to reflect it.
Bingo.
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A slave who is seen picking up a gun and shooting his way out of a situation after his owner gets over run by Union Troops would not be characterized as a Confederate Soldier. Mexicans fighting against Mexicans and Indians fighting against Indians is well documented. These groups had ideological issues with each other and with the US government that forced them to choose a side. To some extent Mexicans and Indians were fighting a Civil War within a Civil War. IMO To be considered a "Confederate" a slave had to have some ideological reason to shoot at the US government. In diary from Dixie Mary Chesnut said the slaves never let on but they knew the closer the sounds of guns came, the sooner they would be free.Why would they lift a finger to hamper this process?
They wouldn’t.
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Poor Dears,

OP is proved absolutely wrong, so now we get 6 pages of goal post moving.

Tsk tsk..
Not so. No one has produced a shred of evidence that I’m wrong.

They can’t, and neither can you.
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