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Old 01-03-2018, 11:01 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Rocket Man immediately calls S. Korea demanding Trump stop. Let's talk.
That's just the thing you don't see...

You can spin it that way... Or that South Korea is increasingly seeing that the USA is not a very stable and dependable partner, and they are now going to make overtures with North Korea and work out arrangements on their own without much US involvement...and those may or may not be in our best interests. And maybe China, sensing the void, steps up and plays a bigger role in brokering something and they use this to further grow their influence while US's continues to decline...
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:03 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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So much pearl clutching.
It's called strategically considering the consequences of action, and in most societal circles it is a sign of intelligence. I encourage you to explore it at your own pace.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:12 PM
 
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It's called strategically considering the consequences of action, and in most societal circles it is a sign of intelligence. I encourage you to explore it at your own pace.
So, what were the consequences of his other Twitter attacks on Rocket Man?
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Trump has balls of steel.
The size of BBs.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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The size of BBs.
How were your eyes in such a position to make such observations?



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=joKkNwqNdzA
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:25 PM
 
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In the past, Presidents took serious consideration of what they stated publicly. It would routinely undergo vetting by various internal departments, depending on the topics involved. Yes, it ran the risk by today's standards of not being seen as so "raw" and "genuine" as some people like, and of course Presidents were still far from perfect in their utterances. But there was awareness that the top leader's words signaled a lot - they could reassure allies (or opposite), enable deals to happen (or not), and signal boundaries to adversaries. So Presidents - Republican and Democrat - generally picked their words carefully. They would at least consider whether their statements would enhance national interest or make it more difficult to achieve.

By contrast, we now have the first US President who shoots from the hip with a spur-of-the-moment word salad formed mainly around his insecure ego, i.e. as reactions to what we perceives others to think about him. This plays well with his base, who as local yokels identify with a world where they don't need to vet what they say - and so Trump comes across as "one of us."

Great for Trump with respect to his base, but the problem with this is that it's not just Trumpers reading his Tweets (and the Libs that Trumpers gleefully see as enraged by it); it's also the rest of the world. And when our allies and adversaries are faced with a slew of inconsistent, cathartic statements, one of two things happen:

1. They think he seriously means it, and they form their policies accordingly to go it alone - they form new alliances that exclude the US, etc.

2. They think he doesn't seriously mean it since he spews a lot of hot air, in which case they learn not to take it seriously. This the blunts the credibility of the currency the President carries with his word in public.

Notice that either way, the President's wors becomea devalued, which can't even good.

I think both have happened to an extent, but #2 is especially the risky one with respect to entities like North Korea. Given Trump's flippant and petulant comments, I think others are being conditioned not to take him seriously. That means his word can no longer give valuable, meaningful signals to the opponent in terms of where the negotiation areas are and where the hard boundaries are; they disregard all of it. North Korea also obviously does the same, and the world has similarly discounted them.

So now you have two ego-driven entities who can no longer get good signaling from each other's word - and with nuclear weapons. This is how the stage gets set for a misunderstanding, which is a likely spark to a very costly fight between the two. It only takes a matter of minutes for this to play out.

And that is why a President's character and word still matter, as we will discovery to our own misfortune.
So, somehow been nicer and more eloquent will make us more friends around the world. Hate to break it to you hon, but it does not matter, as the USA is never seen in the most favorable terms regardless of who is president. The reason Obama was accepted a little more was because he was willing to offer so much with practically nothing in return. He was a soft submissive man in a position of power which set up the nation for the division and derision we see today.

The big problem for many Liberals in the USA, is the need to use utopian romantic images of the world outside our own to compensate for a lack of real knowledge of the world due to possibly a genuine lack of interest , though somehow to admit the same does not bode well in conversation. They will do most anything to hide their true close minded ignorance. So, in the words of quite a few of our international friends
'Americans are plastic and full of s***e" That goes for Liberals and Conservatives. Well at least the latter does not act pretentious and delusional in how it wants to be seen , just seen of course, image is everything to the Liberals.

Being strong and showing strength will actually develop confidence in the long run. The world stage is becoming crowded with ambitious nations looking after their own & specifically own interests. The USA needs to speak up so it does not get lost in the others' noise.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:46 PM
 
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Trump rules Twitter with his one liners. They are a riot!


"I got a button on my desk too.... and my button works"
Priceless! lmao

Almost as good as, "because you'd be in jail"


Rocket Man immediately calls S. Korea demanding Trump stop. Let's talk.
It's only a riot to his supporters. I find it disgusting that Trump has nicknames for people in our country and those abroad.
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:54 AM
 
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Words matter infinitely. Carefully chosen doesn’t have to mean flowery and eloquent, sigh.

“How important are words and speaking to business leaders? Leaders should think about words as being so powerful that they might be the main reason a leader will succeed or fail. Sure, a leader who doesn’t choose his words carefully may succeed to some degree, but the truly great leaders are great orators, as well.”

“Choose the words that you speak very carefully because they have the potential of accomplishing nearly anything or destroying nearly anything.”
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/251290

But no, some of y’all think the only options are a simpering weakling (which no, he wasn’t...) or a bombastic troll. Good leaders can be strong, firm and all without doing things like such “hilarious” tweeting.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Trump has balls of steel. God bless him.
Then where was silver spoon, draft dodging Donnie when it was his turn to serve in Vietnam? Conveniently absent.....no balls of steel.

More like the emotional maturity of an 8 year old. No offense to 8 year olds intended.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:20 AM
 
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Then where was silver spoon, draft dodging Donnie when it was his turn to serve in Vietnam? Conveniently absent.....no balls of steel.

More like the emotional maturity of an 8 year old. No offense to 8 year olds intended.
He showed up to the draft board and took his medical when he was called. Not his fault they rejected him.

Billy Boy Clinton completely dodged the draft.

Obama could have joined up and served in the first Gulf War.

The thought of serving his country never even crossed his mind.
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