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Old 12-04-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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If you actually think Trump has done something to help the middle class, then that only goes to show how deeply you've been sucked into the cult.
He kept Crooked Hillary out of the WH, everything after that is gravy.
The voice from the losers in the collective with the same old message doesn't inspire me to join them.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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He kept Crooked Hillary out of the WH, everything after that is gravy.
The voice from the losers in the collective with the same old message doesn't inspire me to join them.
We will see who the eventual losers will be. See post 2888 for a hint. Within a couple years you will have wished Hillary had won, since the next recession will be blamed on Trump.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, may I have your attention please....

It has begun!!!

Key yield curve hits flattest in 11 years; 3-year and 5-year note invert for first time since 2007

Thank you, and have a nice day.
The same bond market move happening now occurred before the last three recessions
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In the Treasury market, shorter-term interest rates this week started to move above some longer-term rates.

That can be an early warning sign for a recession, as it was in 1990, 2001 and 2007, according to a study by Bespoke. Bespoke said that kind of bond market move may indicate that some of the more widely watched spreads could also soon flip, or invert, a precursor to a recession.

The 3-year Treasury yield Monday moved above the 5-year yield, and it was soon followed by the 2-year. The market most closely watches the spread between the 2-year and 10-year, as well as 3-month to 10-year spread, which is the one preferred by the Fed.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Article I read yesterday said same as the last 7 recessions/economic down turns.

Honestly, I read stuff like that, and just gotta take their word for it, it's not like I totally understand it.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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You would first need to try to understand criticism of Trump in a way that does not always dismiss the likes as simple bias. Truly understand those criticisms -- objectively -- and maybe there would be a point in further exchanging opinion about all that Trump is or isn't.

After all, not too long ago, our economy and the world economy was humming on all cylinders. We have been the largest economy and wealthiest country in the world for quite awhile now. People like Trump like to find easy targets, like China, and claim all manner of victimization. We're being taken advantage of? In what way and by what measure really? What do you know about China's perspective about all that for example?

No matter?

All Trump seems to do is generate more friction and problem with friends and enemies alike, largely blown out of proportion or misrepresented in ways his followers swallow like honey, while meanwhile what are the REAL results? YOU been suffering from American trade with China before Trump came along? YOU stand to do better with all Trump claims to be accomplishing? The average American any closer to better health care in this country? Our kids able to enjoy better access to affordable quality education?

They say "the business of America is business," and no doubt that seems Trump's focus. The business deal, but for how long now have we been watching who mostly benefits from these business deals? What does the incredible massing of wealth at the top of our socio-economic ladder tell us? Who are the Americans Trump is really working for and how do we measure that exactly?

Right! Back to Trump "the absolute greatest for the economy" regardless how true any of that may actually be. Ideology, bias and ego will trump facts, reason and logic any day! (Pun intended).[/quote]

You were exactly correct in the response you received. Your post was not countered with anything resembling a debate.

Thanks for noticing...

When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought to myself "oh no, not another unwarranted praising of Trump by another misguided starry eyed Trump devotee," and the thought this sort of propaganda has legs is always a concern, but this thread has also done some good in maybe removing some of the "smoke and mirrors" that seems to be working on too many Americans these days...
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Article I read yesterday said same as the last 7 recessions/economic down turns.

Honestly, I read stuff like that, and just gotta take their word for it, it's not like I totally understand it.
Economics section is the place to go. This is a good summary here:
Why are long yields falling?

IOW, an inverted yield curve means borrowers cannot charge more interest for loans than they're paying on the money they themselves are using to loan out. So they stop loaning out. When they stop loaning out, bad things happen.

If you had money you were paying 2.5% interest on, but market forces told you you could only charge 2% interest to customers, would you lend out that money at all? No. Instead you'd stop borrowing anything at all and stop lending out anything at all.
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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We will see who the eventual losers will be. See post 2888 for a hint. Within a couple years you will have wished Hillary had won, since the next recession will be blamed on Trump.
Does that mean the Fed should aggressively raise interest rates into a looming recession ?

No need to answer we both know what it is. Point being we are way overdo for a recession.

Knowing what causes it will give us a better idea how severe and how long it will be.

When everyone is in a panic and throwing in the towel I'll be a buyer, holding 90% in cash now.

I have no fear. Tariff Man is here !!!


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tru...dist=bigcharts

President Donald Trump on Tuesday gave himself a superhero-like nickname as he acknowledged that the U.S. and China may not conclude a trade deal even after optimistic talks held over the weekend.

Trump called himself “Tariff Man” in a series of tweets pointing out the 90-day deadline the U.S. has announced for reaching an agreement with China before a step-up in tariff rates from 10% to 25% is set to occur.
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Does that mean the Fed should aggressively raise interest rates into a looming recession ?

No need to answer we both know what it is. Point being we are way overdo for a recession.

Knowing what causes it will give us a better idea how severe and how long it will be.

When everyone is in a panic and throwing in the towel I'll be a buyer, holding 90% in cash now.

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You've been sitting on 90% cash during this bull market but now you're ready to dive in head first?
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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It's barfing!
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Old 12-04-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Point being we are way overdo for a recession.
You should have said that to yourself before you started this thread early this year - a thread which is now making you look pretty ridiculous.
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