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"since 2009 ". you might want to get up with the times. That was 10 YEARS ago!
"and golf declining as a past-time" "the only hope of playing Golf is after retirement"
And WE are called the UN-educated!
I live in a golf MECCA and when times were good golf courses did NOT want are local business because they cpuld make more money catering to the golf groups over a shorter period of time. When the recession hit they called US to come and play. Now with the economy getting better they don't want us. But, keep on believing golf is dead.
We have new housing being built all over the place WITH several golf course closing.
Jan 16, 2018 - Statistics compiled by Golf Tourism Solutions through the T-Links reservation system show a 4.1-percent increase in 2017 compared to 2016. ... The Myrtle Beach golf industry can finally again trumpet a positive number.
Jun 17, 2017 - In the last five years, golf has seen a 25% increase in the number of junior golfers heading out to the links. Outside of youth commitment, there ...
And yet the VERY SAME source (golfcity.com) which you posted above - and claimed in 2017 that golf was growing, admitted the very next year - last year (ie 2018) - that "...The story isn't meant to fuel the debate if golf is failing or merely stagnant as most statistics imply. This is just a new normal until the game reaches a better balance of supply and demand - courses vs. players. Golf is paying for the sins of our fathers - the building boom of the 1990s and 2000s - when they built courses in real estate developments that nobody really needed. The National Golf Foundation estimates roughly 200 courses closed in 2018, similar numbers to the year before..."
Once again, the city of Sarasota shows that governments CANNOT run a prospering business.
Here in Benson, AZ the golf courses closed years ago because the private companies running them COULDN'T make money EITHER. One of them was eventually taken over by the city and continues to limp along.
Here in Benson, AZ the golf courses closed years ago because the private companies running them COULDN'T make money EITHER. One of them was eventually taken over by the city and continues to limp along.
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You make a good case why gov. shouldn't be in the business or be competing with private business with the tax payers money.
Why would they risk the tax payers money when the golf courses have such a poor history. As you stated private courses closed years ago for lack of profitably. Who in gov. conduct research only to find out that the golf course business is notorious for failure ?
No business is without risk, it’s helpful to know what challenges you’re up against, and how to handle those challenges to stay afloat. Who is gambling with tax payer money ? A lot of people would ask if the gov. has excess money to gamble with, why not return it to the tax payer, and let them decide if they want to gamble it away or do something else with it.
What is the gov. doing investing in and competing with private business ?
Does gov. want to be the Oligarchs of golf ? Why not bowling alleys ?
Meanwhile country club golf courses that are for members and their guest continue to thrive.
Take the virtual tour of one that started in 1926 and thrives without gov. ownership. It should be no surprise that gov. fails in so many areas when they compete with the more responsive private businesses.
You and me both wonder.....Sarasota, BTW, is famous for being Trump Central. His campaign blossomed there at the Robarts Arena AND be actually made up his "Wall" lies and talking points there. Just a bit of history for you.
Also, the two Golf Courses I know of back in NJ that the town bought - GOP controlled towns and counties.
Not claiming it is exclusive to Republicans...BUT, you should know that the question of whether to buy it or not was never discussed. That is, it didn't even occur to them that they shouldn't be in the biz. Republicans. Unlike the rest of us, the Republicans who held county and city jobs had plenty of time to be out on the course, hence it was a no-brainer to buy it.
"since 2009 ". you might want to get up with the times. That was 10 YEARS ago!
"and golf declining as a past-time" "the only hope of playing Golf is after retirement"
And WE are called the UN-educated!
I live in a golf MECCA and when times were good golf courses did NOT want are local business because they cpuld make more money catering to the golf groups over a shorter period of time. When the recession hit they called US to come and play. Now with the economy getting better they don't want us. But, keep on believing golf is dead.
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Jun 17, 2017 - In the last five years, golf has seen a 25% increase in the number of junior golfers heading out to the links. Outside of youth commitment, there ...
Well, Mecca must be nice and the National Golf Association must be lying....I'm sure the visitors to the real MECCA claim many stories that aren't true also.
My figures and the stories are not from 2009. I'm be seeing it in my news feed quite a bit in reference to Real Estate and what people want these days.
When your basis of fact is fantasy, it's useless debating with you.
"Jan 22, 2019 - With 1,200 golf communities nationwide, and golf declining as a past-time, many homeowners face declining property values and are saddled with heavy membership dues that they no longer can afford."
"Nov 10, 2018 - The sport's declining popularity muddies the future of golf course-based communities, says David Cobb, south Florida regional director"
I mean - enjoy your MECCA, just don't assume that what is true for your head is actual true. It's not.
"Next, you have the aging of the population, aging beyond the point where they enjoy golf. At Black Diamond where I was a member for over a decade, the membership dropped from almost 600 to under 300 in the time I was there. Of the three hundred 60 of them where over 80 and at age 48 in 2010 when I quit I was one of 3 members under 50"
Hey, the decline means you will get a great deal on your fees. On the other hand, if we talking about BAD INVESTMENTS for a luxe developer (Trump), we can say that it's ignorant to invest in Golf and expect a big ROI....
Well, Mecca must be nice and the National Golf Association must be lying....I'm sure the visitors to the real MECCA claim many stories that aren't true also.
My figures and the stories are not from 2009. I'm be seeing it in my news feed quite a bit in reference to Real Estate and what people want these days.
When your basis of fact is fantasy, it's useless debating with you.
"Jan 22, 2019 - With 1,200 golf communities nationwide, and golf declining as a past-time, many homeowners face declining property values and are saddled with heavy membership dues that they no longer can afford."
"Nov 10, 2018 - The sport's declining popularity muddies the future of golf course-based communities, says David Cobb, south Florida regional director"
I mean - enjoy your MECCA, just don't assume that what is true for your head is actual true. It's not.
"Next, you have the aging of the population, aging beyond the point where they enjoy golf. At Black Diamond where I was a member for over a decade, the membership dropped from almost 600 to under 300 in the time I was there. Of the three hundred 60 of them where over 80 and at age 48 in 2010 when I quit I was one of 3 members under 50"
Hey, the decline means you will get a great deal on your fees. On the other hand, if we talking aboutBAD INVESTMENTS for a luxe developer (Trump), we can say that it's ignorant to invest in Golf andexpect a big ROI....
You make a good case why gov. shouldn't be in the business or be competing with private business with the tax payers money.
Why would they risk the tax payers money when the golf courses have such a poor history. As you stated private courses closed years ago for lack of profitably. Who in gov. conduct research only to find out that the golf course business is notorious for failure ?
No business is without risk, it’s helpful to know what challenges you’re up against, and how to handle those challenges to stay afloat. Who is gambling with tax payer money ? A lot of people would ask if the gov. has excess money to gamble with, why not return it to the tax payer, and let them decide if they want to gamble it away or do something else with it.
If you read about the Bobby Jones course in Sarasota -- it was a cash cow for the area for a a few years.
Unfortunately golf has been in decline and the courses to feel the worst pinch will be the municipal or lower fee courses.
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