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When my country's healthcare system implodes due to flu season and forces the cancellation of 50k-plus surgeries, I'll definitely begin researching why that is. But that hasn't happened to us. It's happened to the UK. Which is what we're discussing.
Where's the implosion? You're issue is that you think you're nose job is more important than the health and life of someone else. That's absurd. It's amazing that their system can make the call to divert resources to the highest need during times of crisis and hopefully reduce potential loss of life.
Where's the implosion? You're issue is that you think you're nose job is more important than the health and life of someone else. That's absurd. It's amazing that their system can make the call to divert resources to the highest need during times of crisis and hopefully reduce potential loss of life.
Since you're presumptuous enough to assign me an "issue" based on nothing more than my refusal to adore the NHS, I'll be presumptuous enough to nitpick your poor grammar, which is the only thing in your post worth noting. You're using an incorrect form of "you're". It should be "your".
Yes, I read about the flu, which originated from Australia has their health care system backed up beyond capacity. Lets hope it does not get worse, or spread here.
We may not have that same strain, however I needed a doctors appointment. I called, since I wasn't immediately sick I was pushed to 3 weeks out.
For a doctors appointment.
Let's not pretend our system is any better. It's not. People here wait months for surgery, die in emergency rooms, can't get treatment or care at all for serious medical conditions, and more. So spare me how this is so awful. At least they're treating their sick. How many people here could get this flu and not see a doctor because they can't afford it?
The citizens who can’t pay should be in dormitory style rooms.
Illegals should be deported after they are stabilized.
My RN friend who is doing well financially can certainly afford a private room in the U.S. In other countries they must hold to the reality that square feet = dollars and not try to give everyone a private or semi-private room.
I do agree with you that pharmaceuticals should not be more expensive here than in other countries.
How many non-essential surgeries just don't happen in the US because people can't afford them to begin with?
Bingo.
Besides that, we don't have to copy England's system. People who think in terms of either or.
We have the hospitals.
We have the medical staff.
We have everything but an affordable well managed system.
Others have done it and made it work.
And for the record I have had surgery delayed due to lack of beds and I have good insurance.
Since you're presumptuous enough to assign me an "issue" based on nothing more than my refusal to adore the NHS, I'll be presumptuous enough to nitpick your poor grammar, which is the only thing in your post worth noting. You're using an incorrect form of "you're". It should be "your".
There. Now we're both guilty of silly pettiness.
Sure, you can do that. People who don't have a leg to stand on in debates often result to these sorts of things.
My lack of caring about editing posts and leaving poor grammar or spelling is nowhere on par with your lack of caring for people dying of the flu. This isn't about adoring the NHS. There are clear problems with the system especially now that budgets continue to be slashed. Brexit is another damaging factor. Conservative economic policy at work. But this thread is trying to claim that canceling non essential surgeries in favor of diverting as many resources as possible to a flu epidemic, presumably to keep fatalities to a minimum, is a sign of a failing NHS and that's just complete *******s. That's a sign of the positives of the NHS.
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How many non-essential surgeries just don't happen in the US because people can't afford them to begin with?
When in America has our medical community ever simultaneously canceled thousands upon thousands of surgeries due to the flu striking and the country facing a shortage of physicians? I've never heard of such a thing. Now I see people immediately rising to defend the NHS, rather than questioning how a healthy and robust system could allow such a thing to happen.
Elective surgery requires a lot of advance planning for most people. Their home lives and jobs are affected by their convalescence. Many people need to train someone to cover their job during their absence. Having your surgery date pulled out from under you because the medical system can't handle what is a predictable yearly event is extremely inconvenient for people - not to mention the extended suffering that many of them must endure until they can be treated. It's the sign of a system bursting at the seams and failing it's people. I'm not sure why people would rush to defend such a huge clusterf*** and not instead demand some answers from the NHS.
People in Britain don't think it's a cluster ****. Ask any of them if they'd trade their healthcare system for ours. Go ahead ask them.
How does it suck? They are able to mobilize efforts to address a serious crisis that hasn't been seen in 30 years. This year's flu epidemic is a very bad one.
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Non essential surgeries have been postponed due to an epidemic.
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Anyone who took the time to read the story would fine that Britain is undergoing a flu crisis that is overwhelming the system.
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Did you not read the article? It's clearly not a typical flu season. It's a serious epidemic that hasn't been seen in 30 years.
So you all admit that the government and its socialized medicine system failed to vaccinate people in a timely manner to prevent an influenza outbreak.
At least 1,649 people have been struck down with the potentially deadly strain in England and Wales over the Christmas period.
Who knew 1,650 people could crash the entire British medical system?
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