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I lived and worked with the French for 50 yrs, have relatives in paris, the typical French woman takes no gaff from men. They, like Italian women, handle themselves very well.
The typical American woman today is clueless how to handle men.they have no confidence.
Think of French women as an iron fist in a silk glove.
Vs snowflakes.
I never met any feminists in france, I suppose there are the occasional loud hairy arm pitted type. In general they dont have that disease in france.
No kidding. I'm not sure how they do it, but they don't need the "movement".
No kidding. I'm not sure how they do it, but they don't need the "movement".
You don't know what you're talking about.
"Feminism" is such an integral part of daily life throughout western Europe that it's invisible. It doesn't NEED to talked about, because they enjoy it with all the family-friendly social policies they take for granted and that American women can only dream about. On top of comprehensive universal healthcare (or "socialist" medicine, as your camp calls it), the French enjoy a minimum of one year of PAID maternity/paternity leave; birth control and other reproductive services mostly, if not entirely paid for by UHC; at least 6 weeks of vacation time per year. etc. Ya know, all that "communist," "collectivist" crap that the American right insists are for "lazy" "libtar*s." Tell the average French woman (or man) about our 6 of weeks of maternity leave and standard 2 weeks of vacation each year, and then watch the fascinated, shocked expressions on their faces.
Moreover, French women don't grow up in a culture that attempts to drill into their heads that they're past their "shelf lives" or that they have a lowered "market value" over the age of 35 or 40. French women and teenagers (Catherine Deneuve and her team notwithstanding) don't feel the need to alter their bodies with injectable stuff and/or cosmetic surgery. But American women do, and that's probably why there are so many self-loathing women in this country. Notice how all those French actresses choose to live and work in Europe, not Hollywood.
French women perhaps don't HAVE to have a formal movement, they perhaps don't HAVE to call themselves "feminists" because they LIVE feminism, EVERY day, without thinking about it, as do French men. To compare France with the US in terms of "feminism" is like comparing apples with papayas.
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Moreover, French women don't grow up in a culture that attempts to drill into their heads that they're past their "shelf lives" or that they have a lowered "market value" over the age of 35 or 40.
That was true 100 years ago, back when feminism had made much less of an impact. It's reflected in 19th century French literature like Stendhal's The Red And The Black and Flaubert's Sentimental Education. French culture has always valued older women. Probably due to the mother complex that Catholic countries tend to have. America being based on a British Protestant foundation (despite its massive Catholic population) didn't have this as much.
Moreover, French women don't grow up in a culture that attempts to drill into their heads that they're past their "shelf lives" or that they have a lowered "market value" over the age of 35 or 40. French women and teenagers (Catherine Deneuve and her team notwithstanding) don't feel the need to alter their bodies with injectable stuff and/or cosmetic surgery. But American women do, and that's probably why there are so many self-loathing women in this country. Notice how all those French actresses choose to live and work in Europe, not Hollywood.
This. I can't tell you how disheartening it is to be a single woman in their 40's. It is almost impossible to find a guy. They're either all still married or they're only into dating younger women, in their 20's or early to mid 30's. Even my good male friend acknowledges this truth. I swear, it's more likely to be killed by a terrorist than to be able to find a man to date when you're a single woman in your 40's.
"Feminism" is such an integral part of daily life throughout western Europe that it's invisible. It doesn't NEED to talked about, because they enjoy it with all the family-friendly social policies they take for granted
Oh really? I never said it wasn't an integral part of their life, I said they didn't need the "movement". I don't blame you for being jealous of French women, they seem to have it all.
"Feminism" is such an integral part of daily life throughout western Europe that it's invisible. It doesn't NEED to talked about, because they enjoy it with all the family-friendly social policies they take for granted and that American women can only dream about. On top of universal healthcare (or "socialist" medicine, as your camp calls it), the French enjoy a minimum of one year of PAID maternity/paternity leave; birth control and other reproductive services mostly, if not entirely paid for by UHC; at least 6 weeks of vacation time per year. etc. Ya know, all that "communist," "collectivist" crap that the American right insists are for "lazy" "libtar*s."Go ahead and tell the average French woman (or man) about your standard 2 weeks of vacation each year, and then watch the fascinated, shocked expressions on their faces.
Moreover, French women don't grow up in a culture that attempts to drill into their heads that they're past their "shelf lives" or that they have a lowered "market value" over the age of 35 or 40. French women and teenagers (Catherine Deneuve and her team notwithstanding) don't feel the need to alter their bodies with injectable stuff and/or cosmetic surgery. But American women do, and that's probably why there are so many self-loathing women in this country.
French women perhaps don't HAVE to have a formal movement, they perhaps don't HAVE to call themselves "feminists" because they LIVE feminist, EVERY day, without thinking about it, as do French men.
So they live under an immoral system where some citizens are robbed against their will to pay for the needs of other citizens, and you are trumpeting that as something good. Utterly amazing. And you probably really believe it. And you are not alone. Such is the nature of a bankrupt society.
Universal Health Care it a fundamental and catastrophic moral evil. It's bad for the thieves stealing from their fellow citizens. It's bad for the recipients who can't get quality care without waiting until they die, making that surgery unnecessary. It's bad for the government which presides over a mediocre slow rolling disaster where crisis management and death panels and cost overruns create constant never ending public confusion. It's bad for the doctors whose income and productivity is limited and constrained under the threat of violence from the state, which leads to terrible doctors, because it no longer pays to become a doctor. It's just a terrible and evil system, by design and intent. Of course it doesn't work, but it wouldn't matter if it did. It's unspeakably evil and patently immoral.
ONE YEAR PAID MATERNITY LEAVE? That's a disgrace and a horror. Why should someone be paid ANY MONEY AT ALL TO NOT WORK? What a bizarrely evil concept. And yet it's accepted, because that's the slippery slope we put ourselves on with collectivist presidents following the government-caused Great Depression. And by incremental decadence, today's typical citizen sees nothing wrong with it
whatsoever. Forcing someone to else to send you money so you stay home to raise a child that you decided to have. Other people are forced by the state to pay for that. And today's citizens are so deranged and so bereft of moral conscience that they don't see anything wrong with it. And indeed view it as some sort of perverse benevolence. It's an otherworldly evil and an absolute and complete disgrace.
Oh really? I never said it wasn't an integral part of their life, I said they didn't need the "movement". I don't blame you for being jealous of French women, they seem to have it all.
As a whole, French women seem to be more together than American women. Obviously there are exceptions.
So they live under an immoral system where some citizens are robbed against their will to pay for the needs of other citizens, and you are trumpeting that as something good. Utterly amazing. And you probably really believe it. And you are not alone. Such is the nature of a bankrupt society.
Universal Health Care it a fundamental and catastrophic moral evil. It's bad for the thieves stealing from their fellow citizens. It's bad for the recipients who can't get quality care without waiting until they die, making that surgery unnecessary. It's bad for the government which presides over a mediocre slow rolling disaster where crisis management and death panels and cost overruns create constant never ending public confusion. It's bad for the doctors whose income and productivity is limited and constrained under the threat of violence from the state, which leads to terrible doctors, because it no longer pays to become a doctor. It's just a terrible and evil system, by design and intent. Of course it doesn't work, but it wouldn't matter if it did. It's unspeakably evil and patently immoral.
ONE YEAR PAID MATERNITY LEAVE? That's a disgrace and a horror. Why should someone be paid ANY MONEY AT ALL TO NOT WORK? What a bizarrely evil concept. And yet it's accepted, because that's the slippery slope we put ourselves on with collectivist presidents following the government-caused Great Depression. And by incremental decadence, today's typical citizen sees nothing wrong with it
whatsoever. Forcing someone to else to send you money so you stay home to raise a child that you decided to have. Other people are forced by the state to pay for that. And today's citizens are so deranged and so bereft of moral conscience that they don't see anything wrong with it. And indeed view it as some sort of perverse benevolence. It's an otherworldly evil and an absolute and complete disgrace.
Did I say I was a proponent of (a minimum of) one year of paid maternity leave? I did not. All I said is that it is standard practice in France. French women and men think nothing of it. And yet some men and women on this thread are silly enough to suggest that French women aren't "feminists." *Snort*
Did I say I was a proponent of (a minimum of) one year of paid maternity leave? I did not. All I said is that it is standard practice in France. French women and men think nothing of it. And yet some men and women on this thread are silly enough to suggest that French women aren't "feminists." *Snort*
Good. I'm glad you are not such a proponent. I favor maternity leave, but it must be voluntary. Good companies will offer it, and the best women will insist on it as a condition of employment. But the State has no business ordering it.
As a whole, French women seem to be more together than American women. Obviously there are exceptions.
I have maybe 30-35 French female relatives, and dozens of French female friends.
You can count my American women friends on the fingers and toes of one human,
my close American women friends on the fingers of one hand.
I love them all, and I'm not doing the American women a disservice when I say
that in principle I have to agree with that statement.
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