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Old 01-10-2018, 09:44 PM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
Mueller has four in custody, and a stack of indictments that haven't been unsealed yet. He is a combat veteran, and used to operating silently. You'll know if and when a crime is confirmed, and likewise if there was no wrongdoing. I'll bet the farm on it.

If there is no guilt, there is no problem. Relax, if you believe Trump is innocent.
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What are you talking about? Four people have been charged, and two have pleaded guilty. So far. And Mueller is not done.

That doesn't sound like an investigation in search of a crime, it sounds like an investigation of a crime.

Try to keep up.
You are confirming exactly what I said.

The Russian/Mueller investigation never cited any crime that was committed.

An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.


There would be no crimes if there was no Russia investigation. Meaning, there would be no Flynn interview, no charge for lying. There would be no Papadopoulos interview, not charge for lying.

Manafort is a completely separate case that was already under investigation, and has nothing to do with the Russian investigation.

Nobody has been charge with anything to do with Russian collusion.


An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.


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So you want proof of a crime before the investigation?
For the love of God, yes, I, and everybody should want evidence of a crime before an investigation is launched, otherwise we all could be the victim of a witch hunt.

I'll say it again.

An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Cohen doesn't claim he wasn't in Prague. He was not in Prague, period. Get it?
Nope, don't get it. He could just as easily have been near Prague. You know, the metro area around Prague. Even a close part of Germany.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That's pretty laughable. You should read Simpson's interview with the Senate Intelligence Committee staffers, not junk opinion writing from zerohedge.

Steele has not backed away from the quality of the information in the dossier memos. Nor has Simpson.

The release by Fienstien, helped Trump and hurt the Democrats accusations and talking points... On to the 25th Amendment. The guy is crazy.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:10 AM
 
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Read this thread by Elizabeth McLaughlin.

Sent chills up my spine.

https://twitter.com/ECMcLaughlin/sta...84746082562048
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:34 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Nope, don't get it. He could just as easily have been near Prague. You know, the metro area around Prague. Even a close part of Germany.
He was at the University of Southern California on a baseball recruiting trip with his 17 y/o son. There are dozens of people who saw him there. The coaches for USC have confirmed they were there that weekend. He has shown his passport as evidence as well. He was not in Prague. He was not in the area around Prague. He was in Los Angeles. Period. What will it take for you conspiracy kooks to accept the proven?
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:38 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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But what does “unverified” mean to you?

Reports that Trump is a billionaire are unverified.

Reports that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower are unverified.

Reports that Trump lost the popular vote due to voter fraud are unverified.

Reports of a Feb. 17 terrorist attack in Sweden are unverified.

Reports that the tax bill will hurt Trump financially are unverified.

The dossier contains some reports that have been verified, and some that haven’t. Are you interested in seeing if they can be verified, or do you assume that it’s all a witch hunt because it hasn’t gotten the Republican stamp of approval?
What exactly has been verified?
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: NC
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There are a number of places reporting it, none are the Trump haters in the msm, so I won't bother posting a link.

These reports are still unconfirmed, so take them with a grain of salt.

This is classified information, so details cannot be released. It will likely take some time to get some kind verification.
So you'll post "unconfirmed" reports as fact (and only walk them back after you get called out on them), but you have a problem with reports that are labeled "unverified", even though they hold water under scrutiny.

Sounds like you may have an agenda.....
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So now Trump is going to change our libel laws because of the book by Michael Wolf, his comment that people shouldn't be allowed to say damaging things is completely laughable.






https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/b...laws.html?_r=0
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:07 AM
 
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You are confirming exactly what I said.

The Russian/Mueller investigation never cited any crime that was committed.

An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.

There would be no crimes if there was no Russia investigation. Meaning, there would be no Flynn interview, no charge for lying. There would be no Papadopoulos interview, not charge for lying.

Manafort is a completely separate case that was already under investigation, and has nothing to do with the Russian investigation.

Nobody has been charge with anything to do with Russian collusion.

An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.

For the love of God, yes, I, and everybody should want evidence of a crime before an investigation is launched, otherwise we all could be the victim of a witch hunt.

I'll say it again.

An investigation in search of a crime, is the very definition of a witch hunt.
There was ample public evidence to believe a crime occurred before the investigation started: hacking DNC & Podesta emails includes a variety of criminal activity. The FBI was also tipped off by a Trump campaign source and by Christopher Steele about connections b/w the Trump campaign and Russia with both national security and criminal implications.

You have ample evidence of crime to initiate an investigation. And there are further crimes that have been uncovered over the course of the investigation. This is ordinary, appropriate process.

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The release by Fienstien, helped Trump and hurt the Democrats accusations and talking points... On to the 25th Amendment. The guy is crazy.
If you think the release of the Fusion GPS transcript helped Trump or hurt democrats, then it is clear that you have not read it. Mr. Simpson indicates that documents and human intelligence pointed to Trump's connections to Russian organized crime and the Russian plutocracy. It pointed to Trump and his associates actively seeking the fruits of Russian crimes for electoral results. This guy needs to go down for his crimes against American democracy. Not his inadequate mental capacity to handle the job.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: United States
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So you'll post "unconfirmed" reports as fact (and only walk them back after you get called out on them), but you have a problem with reports that are labeled "unverified", even though they hold water under scrutiny.

Sounds like you may have an agenda.....
What in the world are you talking about, you quoted me saying the reports that the dossier was used to get FISA warrants was just coming in, and were unconfirmed.

I never said they were fact.


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There was ample public evidence to believe a crime occurred before the investigation started: hacking DNC & Podesta emails includes a variety of criminal activity. The FBI was also tipped off by a Trump campaign source and by Christopher Steele about connections b/w the Trump campaign and Russia with both national security and criminal implications.

You have ample evidence of crime to initiate an investigation. And there are further crimes that have been uncovered over the course of the investigation. This is ordinary, appropriate process.
There is no crime cited for the investigation. There still was no crime cited even when Mueller was appointed.

Don't forget the fact that the FBI hide the investigation from congress for months to avoid any oversight.

The FBI launches an investigation against the opposing political party's presidential candidate, never cites any evidence of any crimes being committed. Then hides the investigation from congress, preventing congressional oversight.

Yep, that sure sounds legit.

Now lets not forget the fact that a year, and a half later, still not a single shred of evidence of any Russian collusion.
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